Relationship Vs. AI: Technology & Human Connection With Dr. Brian E. Arnold

Today, I sit down with Dr. Brian E. Arnold, also known as Dr. B, for a powerful conversation about artificial intelligence, human connection, faith, education, purpose, and the future of relationships. Dr. Arnold shares how growing up in an analog world, being placed in special education classes, and later using technology as an equalizer shaped his perspective on learning, achievement, and opportunity. His journey from struggling academically to earning multiple degrees, becoming an author, coach, entrepreneur, and educator shows how the right tools can help people overcome barriers without replacing the importance of human relationships.

In this episode, Dr. Arnold and I discuss the rise of AI and whether people are talking about it in the right way. We explore how artificial intelligence can help with productivity, communication, writing, and accessibility, but only when it serves a deeper purpose. Dr. Arnold emphasizes that AI should help us create more time for family, faith, service, and meaningful relationships—not simply help us produce more noise, more content, and more distractions.

We also talk about the danger of short-form content, social media addiction, comparison, celebrity idolization, and the decline of long-form conversation. Dr. B brings in the perspective of podcasting as one of the few places where people can still sit down for an uninterrupted conversation and build real human connection. Together, Dr. Arnold and I examine how phones, algorithms, and constant entertainment can pull people away from their families, their calling, and their relationship with God.

Dr. Arnold also shares insight from his books, including There Is No Tiger, Be Do Have, The Decision Formula, and Relationship Versus AI. We discuss anxiety, overthinking, decision-making, coaching, business, faith, parenting, and why people need mentors, not just machines.

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Transcript

 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Kapua Nukes. As always, I'm your host, Mr. Whiskey, and I am excited for today's conversation here with a very enthusiastic gentleman. And, you know, it's just great because last night I s- got to speak at a internash- an international bilingual Toastmasters, and the word of the day, because they were teaching a English word each day for the local Japanese people, the word was enthusiastic. And, uh, this man right here that we're guesting with today, uh, he already showed a lot of that type of energy, so excited. Those are the best kinds of conversations. Dr. Brian E. Arnold, inspirational, an entrepreneur, an author, a coach, and a podcast guest. We're gonna get into a great conversation today about a few different topics. We're gonna talk about humanity and AI, and just Is it talked about too much, not enough, or is it talked about in the wrong way? We're gonna find out today. So Dr. B, great to have you here, and could you please tell us a little bit about yourself? Yeah. So, so excited to be on the show today, and just, uh, you know, however we got your guest, my guest, our guest, you know, you're on the other side of the world, and it's so cool that we get to be in relationship while you're across the world. Like, you know, there's probably without technology the chances of you and I being able to get together to talk, to do what we're doing, uh, today doesn't exist. And so- Hmm ... our world is so opened up. Our world is, is... You know, I grew up, you know, you're, you're definitely a lot younger than me. I'm 61 now, and I grew up in an analog world. So the analog world was I only knew pretty much my neighborhood. I knew what was around. If my mom and dad took me outside of our neighborhood, then I would get to meet other people. Usually it was relatives or somebody else. And so that's how I grew up. That's how life began to be. And then, you know, and then sort of slowly through the '90s and the 2000s we began to have this thing called the internet, and all of a sudden it began to connect each other in ways that I think have been phenomenal, that have been incredible, that have been able to, um, revolutionize the way that we think. And for me, you know, um, I was what they call the special ed child. So I was a kid that they said wasn't going to amount to a lot, but we had to do a lot with him. And I can tell you that, uh, as I was able to grow up, I didn't wanna go to college. I w- I graduate, I was able to graduate high school. I didn't get to go to the same classrooms that all the other kids got to go to in high school. Uh, but I wanted, so I wanted to be a stuntman. I wanted to go to Hollywood. I wanted to do that. I just happened to be a pretty good athlete. And so I had scholarship offers to go to college, and my mom convinced me that if I went to college, that she would buy me a Jeep when I graduated. Uh, and then I'm still waiting for my Jeep. My mom's 82 years old. I asked her for it last week, uh, 'cause I'd now graduated from four different degrees. Uh, but I, you know, and so college, but what was the equalizers when I went to get my master's, and I got my master's in educational technology. And that was the first time, like I came back, I w- I became- I wanted to be a PE teacher and, uh, so I came back to Colorado. I was living in California at the time, came back to Colorado to be a PE teacher, and they told me in 1987 when I did that, that I had to take a test here in Colorado in order to be a PE teacher. And in that test I had 150-word spelling test. And that 150-word spelling test, I- there's no way I could pa- I don't even know if I could pass it today, you know, i- if I needed to. And so I couldn't teach in Colorado. I ha- I couldn't teach PE in Colorado, which is physical education, which means like when will I ever gonna have to spell a word while I'm blowing a whistle or keeping a ball up? Right, right. But they, they made me do it, so I went back to California, became a PE teacher and a coach out there, uh, became a professor. But when I got my master's, then the equalizer was is now I could, I could use a computer to spell for me. I could use a computer that would do my grammar for me. Now I'm at the even playing field with the rest of the world, and it gave me an opportunity to excel in life that I probably wouldn't have had had I been born in the 1800s or the early 1900s. I, I may not have had any of those same advantages back then. And so I think about that now when I think about 20, 22, 23 l- years later, uh, now, you know, I have this ability with artificial intelligence. It is going to be a, um, optimizer for a lot of folks in the world because they don't have to know how to do some of the things that usually is the genius. I don't know if you remember, maybe when you were little there was a show that was called Jeopardy! Mm. It's still on today. It's been on for 20-some years. You know, this is where all these super smart people go and regurgitate knowledge, and they tell you, you know, what is this or what is that and, you know, what, what, how tall is the Empire State Building? And I was always asked, "Who cares?" But then this person would say, "What is, you know, 16 million feet," or whatever it is, uh, to the Empire State Building. But now what do we do? We pick up this device and we get asked a question, and all the knowledge that we ever need is here. I could go win Jeopardy! with my phone just as quick as somebody who is super knowledgeable, which means that I have access now to the same knowledge almost as fast as that person who is a genius. And we used to celebrate, right? We used to celebrate all the Jeopardy! winners. We used to celebrate how smart you could be by regurg- regurgitating knowledge, and today you don't have to. And so that's just a little bit me. I have eight children. I have 16 grandkids. I have, you know, this amazing, wonderful life that I get to lead. I'm 61. I'm more excited about the next 15 years of my life than I've ever been excited about the last 60 that I've lived, and it's because- Hmm ... of some of these things and being able to have these relationships like I get to have with you. So I know it took a lot of time in the introduction, but I want you to go ahead and ask me some questions, and we can chop it up- For sure from there. But I just wanted to kind of give an overview of why I'm so excited about life right now. 100%, and I think, you know, anyone listening, you gotta tune in and, and take this doctor's advice because if I could look that good at 60 plus, you know, I'd, I'd... Whatever he's doing, just do what he's doing. I mean, he looks good. Still has some- Yeah ... hair. You know, that's a good sign. Yeah. Only the gray. Just the gray in the- Yeah ... the gray right here, but not the gray up here, so yeah. Right. Yeah, and as far as- I'll do this. That makes me even look younger, right? Oh, yeah. If you wear your, your hat backwards, it makes you, it makes you younger- Looks good but it makes you, it... I'm less likely to take advice from you maybe. Yeah. I'm just kidding. Yeah. But, um, you know, when it came to Jeopardy!, my family used to, to watch that for sure, especially my grandmother. But, um- Mm-hmm ... no offense to the new host, but once it was no longer Alex Trebek, I d- I don't know, my family had a hard time adjusting, and I was going to the military at that time, so kind of dropped off. I was more of a Wheel of Fortune guy. You know, I was good at that. Yeah. Um, and sometimes- See, Jeopardy! is hard to make fun of other people and be like, "How did he not know that?" Because half the time I don't know what they're talking about. Yeah, exactly. But on Wheel of Fortune you're like, Family Feud and Wheel of Fortune, that's a stupid answer. I can tell you I'm no genius- Yes ... but I would have never said something as stupid as that. So yeah, Jeopardy! I'm like, well, okay. I mean, it sounded right to me, but sometimes these answers- Oh my God ... on these other shows I'm like, man, I must be, either I'm 1% of 1% or 99% is just bad . You know, it's, it's something going on. But I wanna unpack specifically, you talk about would have been considered special education, wouldn't amount to a lot, but a lot of work to, you know, get you there. What does that look like, especially in that day and age? Is it a lack of any kind of academic diagnosis? Is it a lack of teachers who are willing to understand? Is it the whole societal view of what children who are fa- falling behind in academics are worth? Because we've seen that shift significantly, especially over the past few years. Yeah, here, here's what I can say 'cause I, I, my- I started kindergarten in 1970, and you can just, you know, picture the United States of America in 1970. My dad was part of an affirmative action program which allowed him to get into management at the local telephone company. Uh, when he did that, he decided that he wanted to move us from the city out into the suburbs because, you know, hey, better education, better life, all that kind of stuff. So, you know, I was one of three kids of color that were in my elementary school. So we had- Hmm ... an elementary school of however many people, uh, you know, a couple hundred kids or whatever it was, and so I'm one of three, uh, African American kids that are in there. So that now I'm trying to grow up in this, this world that is way different than what my parents grew up. Not that it was a bad thing, it was, you know, it was just a different thing. Uh- Hmm ... but I don't think the education system was ready for, uh, those of us who were in. So I go to this high school, which is a very prominent high school i- in Colorado, uh, and that high school, uh, has 3,000 students in it. I think we had 3,600. My graduating class was 888, 888 kids. That was my graduating class. Well, there was 35 of us in that high school. I, when we counted, there was 20 of us that were all in special ed classes. So you can't tell me that high of a significant of- Right ... kids were in special ed. Uh, and so for me, I, there's some things, they say I have dyslexia and which is, you know, I, I think I probably do, you know, a touch of it, but I think if I had modern-day education now, I don't know if it would be a factor that it was in 1970. Right. Because at that point they didn't know what to do. I couldn't read at third grade. They're trying to figure out, so they put me in special classes all day long every day. And so I would get to go recess and go play with the other kids during, uh, the day, but then I would go back to the special ed class. And some of them were, you know, at that point there were some very, very needs, you know, based like IQ of 76 kids that were in my class, you know, IQ of, you know, the, you know, like the, I guess they called it mentally retarded or something at that point w- was the label that was put on 'em. Uh, and I'm in those classes where I'm doing the same work all the time, not doing what the other kids are doing. So now by the time I get to high school, I'm behind. You know, because I haven't gotten first, you know, one through eight in education, so now I'm behind in what everybody else is doing, and I think that was the, the thing. And so I went into college and, you know, I got to have some special... By now I'm in the 80s, and some of that has changed a little bit. You know, '83, '85, you know, now I'm going to college and there are adaptions that are available for me to be able to get through college and to be able to go talk to teachers. And orally I was incredible, so, you know, because you adapt, right? If you, you know, if you're deaf, then you can see better. If you, you know, if you're blind, then you can hear better. And so the same thing happens in the world where if you can't write or type or whatever it is, now, uh, that wasn't, you know, I failed typing. Like, what, what, this is the stupidest thing ever, right? Why do I need to type? Now I don't e- I don't even need to use a keyboard now. Uh, but when you start thinking about and going through that process, uh, my oral ability to communicate and my ability to create relationships to, uh, cope with the other, you know, disadvantage or the other lacks, I guess, um, you know, is what I excelled at. So I was able to go talk to teachers. I was able to go spend time after class. I was able to go into the office and say, "I have no clue what you're talking about. How do I do this?" I got help writing papers and that kind of stuff. And then by the time the '90s happened, now we have word processors we have that, that are doing very well, uh, that allow me to, you know... And now, like when I did my doctorate, I, you know, I could talk to the computer. I could literally speak mo- my words into a, a device that will now put it out. You know, where everybody else's input is typing or that kind of stuff. You know, when I wrote my books, you know, those were all me talking, uh, and c- and conversing with the computer and writing them and, you know, then letting a grammar checker and then letting other people and not being afraid to have other people, um, be able to, to, to edit it. You know, if, if you were to have me go write a whole bunch of stuff right now, you know, people'd go, "What, what the heck is all that?" You know? But I don't have to now, right? And, uh, who does at this point? Like, who is actually physically writing notes to people, you know, to, to send out? Like, uh, uh, maybe you're in Japan, so maybe you're writing letters back home to your mom. I doubt it. I think you're emailing her and texting her and tell her wh- and talking to her on the phone to tell her what's going on. Oh, it's funny you say that, because I actually will hand write postcards for my father because of the antiquity of it, because of the fact that- Yes ... in its- Like, it used to be common everyday stuff, and now it's become more of a rare commodity because people don't often do it. And I think what's really interesting is I actually watched a sermon the other day about Paul, who is considered one of the greatest writers and contributors to the Bible. They were saying that, uh, if you, if you read scripture closely, they say in person Paul was kind of, his stature and speech was kind of lacking. Yeah. But he was a strong writer. Yeah. And we see that in the modern world. A lot of the best writers of all time, I've seen pictures of Shakespeare or what we think he looked like, and, and Edgar Allan Poe, and, uh, you know, some of, some of these people who are some of the strongest writers, they're introverted or they have trouble speaking- Mm-hmm in public or, you know, they were more outcasted, but they c- were phenomenal writers. So I, I think it's interesting- Yeah ... how you talked about we always, uh, you know, grow in an area if we have a flaw in another. And I, I think that's- Yeah ... very true, for sure. And I think one thing too is you talk about, like, how AI has evened the playing field, and you look at podcasting has done the same for introverts versus extroverts. Many introverts can podcast. Many introverts are fine with a Zoom call. They're not fine with speaking at, at public events or in person. So it's so interesting to have met so many introverted people who I'm like, "But you run a podcast." Yeah. "300-plus episodes. What do you mean?" And they're like, "Well, I'm at home, and I can control it." Number one thing I hear, "I can control the conversation before it gets out to the world. Only on a one-to-one thing was the conversation ever maybe s- you know, something was said wrong or what- whatever it was, because I can edit and control it." And that's why you'll find introverted people don't like guesting on other podcasts as much as being on their own, but they also have a trust that the host is gonna edit it and stuff because of that connection. So it's really interesting. I think most importantly what it reminded me of, you're talking about there used to be geniuses, and now everyone has the internet in their, in their fingers. There used to be specialized warriors of great physical build, and then the gun came, and it didn't matter. It didn't matter if you were a Shaolin monk or if you were the next Hanma Baki or whatever you were doing. Years of physical training, punching rice and, and getting hit with rods. It's great stuff. It's impressive stuff, don't get me wrong at all, and it's still useful. But to the degree of now a gun evens the playing field. It's not about how much are you physically training, but how well are you using the tool? So it's not- Yeah ... about how much are you studying, it's, you know, how are you using the tool in that studying process? So I, I think that's a, a pretty interesting analogy that just came to mind thinking about, uh, especially- Absolutely ... you know, Shiroyama and, and, you know, unfortunately the death of the samurai culture with the introduction of firearms and stuff. And, you know, I watch a lot of commentary on, you know, ancient knights, on s- you know, Spartans, and on these different Asian warriors of ancient times, and all their training, years of that doesn't matter up against the gun. Like you said, you could have the world's smartest man up against artificial intelligence. You, I mean, even to the point now, can the world's best, you know, chess player beat AI? Mm-hmm. You know, there's all these- Yeah ... things that are coming into play. Yeah. The, and it's so interesting that you say that because now I think of AI, and I just watched a episode on 60 Minutes not too long ago. I watched it online. But it's talking about the weapons of the future, and now we're developing weapons that are created by AI. And you think about the wars that we will have where men won't have to fight each other, machines will fight each other. You know? A- and will, will men pr- be protected? Will we send our troops out? You know? But, but the thing is we keep fighting, right? Why is it that we live in a society that continues to figure out how to kill each other? Mm. You know, no matter what it is, why we, why do we have wars right now? Why are we... You know, land is... You, you think about resources and, you know, with the whole, I guess, the study of economics is about, um, a lack of resources. It's all based on there's only a limited amount of resources, and that limited amount of resources we all have to fight over because whoever has the resources now have the ability to take over the land or have the ability to do stuff. But we've always found in a way through human history, whatever that resource is, when that is no longer available, technology figures out a way to, to combat that, and now we have another way of moving forward. You think about, like, whale blubber, you know, back in the 1500s, 1600s. E- every, all of our fuel and the lamps and everything were now powered by this whale blubber that now could make lanterns and make lamps for people to be able to see at night and to be able to do more things at night. Well, we ran out of whales, or we got close to running out of whales, and then what did we find? Dinosaurs. You know? So now we started digging oil, you know, out of the ground, and that's a resource. So what happens when we run out of oil? We'll figure out something like solar or wind or- Fusion ... whatever. Oh, yeah. Fusion. They- Yeah ... nuclear. Whatever it is. Well, here's the thing. If you- Yeah ... think about it, you could ask AI right now, and if you're listening, I encourage you, you can go ahead and try this. Ask your AI, "Draft a plan for world peace that would satisfy every nation." And I'm sure it'll write up this huge thing. It'll address a couple points, but at the end of the day, you're gonna look at this plan, and here's the issue. Not that the plan has faults in it, uh, you know, economically or mathematically or scientifically, but some human being's gonna be like, "I don't wanna do that. That's, I don't... No, I don't wanna do that." That's the error in it is the human heart. That's the sad part. Yeah. It's, it's not about the resources at the end of the day. It's about greed and human nature. It's our, our human nature is that y- and, and we, for whatever reason, we have this belief if you have something and I don't, then somehow you're better than me or something. And so I have to take what you have because we both can't have the same thing. You know, like- Yeah ... I have to have just a little bit better than you, a little bit more than you. Yeah. A little bit, and if I can't- Everyone wants my cowboy hat. Everywhere I go, people- Everybody loves your- ... people try to buy it off of me. E- exactly. Nobody can get another one. Here's what is amazing about relationship, and that, that, that's why I wrote my book, you know, uh, Relationship Versus AI, is because without the human relationship, why do we do AI? 'Cause we're doing this so that hopefully that we get more time with the people that we love. Mm-hmm. I don't know anybody who sits on their deathbed that is saying, you know, "I'm getting to go," and they say, "I wish I would've spent more time with work." I doubt there's anybody gonna say, "I wish I would've spent more time with my AI bot." They're gonna think about the people that they were around. And here's why podcasting is so cool, and I don't know if you've noticed this, and why introverts and extroverts and all type of people love the podcast. Where else do you get to go have an hour-long conversation with somebody with no distractions? Where else do you get to do that in the... Like, if you think of your last week of your life, your last month of your life, where did you go where you had an hour conversation with no distractions with another human being where all you guys did was talk? Where is that? Or one, for $1,200, I know a strip club that you could get just conversation for an hour. So I, I only know a few places that you can really get that. But no, I, I understand what you're saying. And- Yeah ... one thing we talk about on my podcast all the time is, quote, "The death of longform." And, and, and that's commentary on the declining attention span, the increase of short-form content. The value we're seeing of not quality, but of quantity and of time. How much can I pump out of content rather than, hey, is it good content? It's about a lot of these, especially when it comes to the meme brain rot and humor culture, it's just, hey, it doesn't need to be a high-quality video as long as it's entertaining to a degree. And we're seeing a lot of people are like, "Hey, it's not did I write a book that's high quality. It's just I wrote a book, it's out now. Boom. I wrote another book, it's out now. Boom. Look, I have three books. I have four books." And people are just like you're talking about, they want more and more. It's the idea of more. But we've also heard that sometimes less is more, and it's the quality. But we're seeing the opposite, and I think the issue is with AI streamlining stuff, it's allowing people to put stuff out sooner, but sometimes that process of filtration and of waiting is where some of the best edits and growth happen. And I think one thing we need to do with AI is not let it set the cadence or that its ability to be fast make us faster than we should be. Yeah. You know, so many, there's so many nuances in what you were just saying and thinking about. You know, i- if, if my goal is relationship, if my goal is to spend more time with you, and what AI can do is give us more of the same, right? We think about our emails that used to be, you know, uh, which is ridiculous how many emails that we all get, and that it never was created to- Especially as a podcaster. Yeah, it, it was never created as a communication tool. It was created as an information tool. Mm-hmm. But we use it to communicate, and so we say, "If I need to tell you something, I'm gonna send in an email." Well, that culture's kind of gone away a little bit where we go, because now we're having AI read and write our emails for us, so now they've gotten longer again. And then are we gonna really read it? No, we're gonna synthesize it. We're gonna come back. And, and I think the biggest thing that we have to realize is why are we doing it? Are we trying to show that we're smart? Are we trying to take information that we don't know and synthesize it? Are we trying to know more? Uh, a- and what is the AI actually helping us do? If it's just helping us do the more of the same, you know, it's just like having a bigger car that's gonna... that you can put more stuff in it, or a bigger house that you can put more stuff of it so that you have seven places to lay your he- head down instead of one place to lay your head down, right? You know, 'cause you got seven bedrooms instead of one bedroom. How many bedrooms do you need? 'Cause you can only sleep in one bedroom. Mm-hmm. You can only sleep in one bed, right? Uh, I guess you could switch it every night, but then you go, "Okay, so what is AI doing for me? Is it taking on tasks that I don't wanna do?" Maybe, and if that's the case, what are you doing with the time that you get back from that task? Now, if all you're gonna do is do more AI and do more tasks, then all you've done is filled up your days with a whole bunch of tasks. You know, but if you're taking that AI and you're doing it and say, "Okay, I need the, I do need the AI to read my email because th- these AI bots need to synthesize it for me so that I can get more time." Well, okay, so I get more time. Now I can go on a walk. I can, I can enjoy the nature. I can enjoy what God has provided, what God has put on this earth for us to enjoy, you know, instead of just sitting in my house, you know, spending another hour on my computer staring at that. The hard part about relationship, and we th- we're starting to see this in our kids and our youth and our adolescents, is they don't know how to communicate outside of this device or their computer. And so they don't know how to relationship. 100%. You go, you go to, you probably are experiencing it in Japan, where you go, uh, you know, at a, at a club or whatever that you're going to, and everybody's doing this. You know- Mm ... you go to a restaurant, there's four people that are sitting around with each other, and everybody's talking to other people- Japan more than anywhere as if the other people... Yes. Everywhere I've been in the US, Japan is the number one place of people who will walk into me because they are hunched over on their phone, and that really ticks me off. Because, I mean, everywhere, I mean, you've got over thousands of people in one train station during rush hour, and they're all on their phone hunched over, and they'll bump into you and stuff. None of them are greeting each other in passing. They don't even look up. And then on the train, they're still on their phones and then exiting the train. They'll, they'll swipe their card to leave the train with their phone in one hand. And just the, the worst though is what you, you don't see here. At least they're on the trains. I, in driving in Georgia and Florida, have been behind cars that have their phone on a stand by the steering wheel, and they're scrolling through TikToks while driving. I mean- For what? It's just so- Yeah ... pe- and I, I have- I have had friends and even former lovers who could not eat or go to the bathroom without having their phone. The, the bathroom one just perplexes me. I mean, I understand historically there have been some book reads or newspapers in the bathroom, but ultimately, it- you're there to perform a very simple and timely task, and doing anything else is, is just taking away from that task and time. But I know people who, especially younger, young- the younger generations who are being born with tablet in hand, you know, these iPhone babies, who they need it to go to the bathroom. And they train themselves, I, I, I believe it is really a physical rewiring of the brain that I cannot go to the bathroom without the tablet, because I have always gone to the bathroom with a tablet now where it's an ingrained habit, and I just, I can't do it. You know? It's like people who get used to sleeping with white noise and cannot sleep in silence, or vice versa. Or military guys who are so used to red lights, if they don't have the red lights on, I can't sleep. You know? And we are training ourselves, and I have seen some terrible parenting. Children who will not go in the car unless the tablet is strapped to the back of the car seat and playing a movie. And the parents complain, "Well, the child just screams the whole time if the tablet's not there." I said, "You put it there in the first place. So you created this issue that you now want to just use as your justification for continued bad behavior." Yeah. I, when I do my devotion in the morning, so I have a devotion that's called The Routine.Live. If anybody wants to go every, every morning at 6:30 Mountain Time, I am on live. And, and part of my devotion is I start out and I'm saying, "We are starting here because we are gonna set our day. We have an intention for our day. And the intention for the day, and the reason we're doing this, we, we are not starting our day with distractions. We are commanding our day. We are not consuming our day." Mm. "I need you to put away your tablets. I need to put away your phones. I need to put away your computers. I need you to put any screen that you go through where the world decides what noise you get to input into your mind first. How do you set your intention for today? How do you set your affirmation for your day? How do you set what your day is going to be like? 'Cause you should be proactive about your day, not reactive about your day." Now, there's gonna be some things that are gonna be reactive. Obviously, life comes in and there's gonna be some things, but if you intentionally know what you're gonna do every single day, you have a much more pleasant life. You have a more happy life. Our, our, you know, the, the amygdala that s- treats us, our, our emotions and the prefrontal cortex that does, you know, that, that, that filters that and does our emotions, is all predicated on what we think about in our l- day before our day starts. And if we are letting somebody else control, we're scrolling through TikTok, we're trying to be entertained because we wanna numb ourselves from our own lives, and that's what's so scary is, is our life so bad that I have to watch s- three hours a day of screen time of somebody else's best life? Well, we think it's their best life, right? And then we have this comparison trap. The biggest, I guess, hardest thing that we gotta get away from in this world is our comparison 'cause we compare now ourselves to somebody else's 20 minutes or 30 minutes online. Mm. We don't know anything about the rest of their life. All we know is what they post online, which is probably the best part of what happened in their life. They could be so depressed, and yet we say, "I- they're like this every day. I gotta be like them," you know, or, "I gotta be entertained because somehow my life is so dull, my life is so bad that somebody has to entertain me all day long in order for me to get this emotion or get this belief that I'm enough, that I'm good enough, that I'm worthy, that God put me here for greatness, that, you know, He has me in a position that, uh, I can do all things," right? But no, I gotta, I gotta scroll through somebody else who's trying to entertain me all day long, and for what? H- how does that enhance my life? How does that allow me to serve others? 'Cause I believe God put us on this planet to serve others. Well, I can't serve others if all I'm doing is serving myself on a device. Mm-hmm. 100%. I think of even my own life as a great example. If you were to look at my Instagram right now, @coupleofnukes, check it out, um- Yeah ... well, I guess at the time of this recording my, my second to last post was I got an award last night, right? That's the post you see. But all day prior to that, I was outside lifting weights in a mild rainstorm, uh, listening to quotes of scripture, contemplating all the mistakes in my life, right? You didn't see how I spent all day in reflection and contemplation Yes, I got the award, and that's all you see, so you just think, "Wow, he must have been having a great day all day." No, leading up to that, that's just one moment. That's one snippet of a whole day- Yeah ... where there was plenty of other thoughts, hardships, and other tasks, different meetings with people across the world. So I agree 100%, you know, and, and being a content creator w- through podcasting and through other things, like, I know that it can take a lot of different takes of photos, of videos, of edits to get even just a single good-looking picture that people are like, "Wow." I mean, they just pull out their phone and g- instantly get that, and I think you talked about relationships. If we're creating more time using AI for relationships, but then filling that time with content consumption, uh, then it's, it's pointless. Y- like you said, it's not contributing anything in the long run. That's what we have to look at. In the moment when we're scrolling through these reels, uh, most of which aren't educational, we're getting those dopamine hits of this is humorous, this is relatable. Mm. This is funny at someone else's expense. But then you walk away from it, and what have... what, what's been accomplished? Just lost time. Lost time is all that that's really happened, so I, I think it is a shame. But I wanna go back a little bit, backtrack to you were a teacher of physical education. How do you get into this shift of now I'm writing books, and I'm, you know, talking about AI, and I don't know how I have time 'cause I got all these kids and grandkids, you know? Yeah. No, I will tell you exactly how the transition happened. Uh, one was, uh, I started having kids, right? And so now, now I have a responsibility for other human beings to help m- them make their best life. You know, as a teacher, you don't get paid very much, and you go, "Okay, what am I gonna do? And do I love what I'm doing?" Because they said if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life. And when I realized that I could do the technology thing and I could do the computer thing, and it was gonna change who I was as a person, uh, then I got to be able to... you know, I got that master's in educational technology, and within two months of me graduating with my master's, three universities offered me jobs to come teach web design, believe it or not. Hm. Wow. Uh, web design to teachers. Uh, and there was only, like, uh, like, we, our first web page, it took us a graduate class, you know, a whole semester to make a four-page web page, you know, 'cause we were getting all the coding and everything from Sweden, but they wanted an educational touch to it. And so, uh, I'm doing that, and I'm enjoying that. I, I, I'm still teaching. I'm just teaching now, you know, instead of outside, I'm coaching still, but I'm still... now I'm in the university, and I'm teaching, and I'm, and I'm having a good time. Well, I still couldn't afford, uh, you know, now that I'm having more kids, to afford them, and so I got- Uh, I went into business, and I went into business as a mortgage professional and as a financial advisor back in 2000, and, and I was doing phenomenally well. I was, I was communicating. I was learning about the sales process. I was learning about, you know, how do I, how do I help another individual get to their goals and their dreams? And so I was, I was creating some $100,000 earners at the time that I was helping them get to their dream by... And that was helping me create my dream, and then 2008 hit. And then when 2008 hit, everything just went poof. Like, it was, it was a magical, like, you have money and now you're not gonna have money, you know, for a long time, uh, type situation because, you know, you're trying to keep your employees, you're trying to keep everything up and running, but because you don't know what's gonna happen, uh, because, you know, hey, I'm, I'm keeping my office open at $20,000 a month for six months, you know, you know, trying to make sure, oh, it's gonna come back, it's gonna come back, it's gonna come back, and it didn't, you know? And so I moved out back to Colorado, and by then, now I'm f- I have this business acumen. I'm, you know, I, I, I'm using the technology to make a lot of it run. Uh, I decided to, to jump into nonprofit world, and I ran a couple homeless, homeless, uh, shelter facilities. And, you know, um, later- Mm ... I'm teaching that team to do really well and that kind of stuff. And then I realized, at least here in Colorado, and I don't know how it's like all over the world, but there... The nonprofit world, uh, always has somebody who's running it and then somebody who needs to get paid 'cause they gotta have a life while they're running it, right? Right. So in Denver, there were 64 different homeless services organization, a lot of duplication. I try to do my best to say, how do we not duplicate efforts and actually get the money that's being donated to the individuals who need it, not to just pay admin fees for 65, 65 executive directors, 65 executive directors with staff. And, you know, so now somebody gives you $100,000, you got $30,000 for the actual folks experiencing homeless because $70,000 of that is going to- Mm all your admin that are running the programs. Uh, so I left that and went back into, uh, coaching, teaching, mortgages, speaking, you know, all the things, and writing books. And so, uh, you know, once I realized, A, this is... You know, my first book was called There Is No Tiger, you know, because I'm, I'm, I'm having these conversations, like, with you and other folks, and I'm going, what is one of the biggest things that people do is they try to control a life that they don't, they don't have no control of. So they say... And they, and they go down these roads of, uh, you know, what, what happens if, uh, I get up tomorrow morning, there's a rainstorm, and I drive out in the rainstorm, and then I slide on the street, and I slide on the street and I run into a pole. And I run into the pole, and I'm gonna go to the hospital. I go to the hospital, and then they're gonna give me the wrong drug, and then they're gonna give me the wrong drug, and I'm gonna end up losing my arm. And then I'm not gonna be able to come home, and I'm not gonna play tennis with my kid anymore. And they go down this whole road of all these possibilities. Mm. The multi-universe, right, that we, that we hear about in all of our movies right now, um, and realize that none of that really happens. And so the There Is No Tiger is about back in the day, there were saber-tooth tigers, and the cavemen had to, you know, guard the family to make sure that these tigers weren't gonna eat you. What are the saber-tooth tigers of today? You know, are, are they really there? That's why I say there is no tiger because what is it, public speaking? Is this tiger that's g- that's gonna take me down this road that I'm never gonna be able to speak to another human being again if I go, or somebody's gonna laugh at me, or somebody's not gonna care about me. What if I put some content out on, on social media and somebody doesn't read it? Oh, no, life is over. No, there's no tiger. So let's worry about, you know, l- let's control our overthinking. Let's, uh, think about our anxiety, uh, and then let's figure out a way, 'cause anxiety is such a big deal in our society. And so once I wrote that book, and I made it for... It's got a font that's for folks with dyslexia. It's a little bit wider, a little bit thicker, that, then I got- Nice ... to think about all those things that would've helped me as I write, write that book, and it has a whole bunch of stories and that kind of stuff. And I realized I'm capable of writing a book, you know? And so then I wanted to, to do another book, so it's called Be Do Have was my next one, where I was like, "How do you become the person instead of having the things first, then trying to do the thing so you can keep having it without ever becoming the person that is capable of doing it?" And so that, that's was my life, and that's what I realized, and those are the mistakes that I made, and I wrote that. And then I wrote another one called The Decision Formula that I don't have up here right now, but it's, uh, The Decision Formula, like how do you make great decisions? Uh, and then when AI started getting big, I'm like, "Wait a minute. I use AI. I'm a technologist. This is what I've been doing with my life for the last 15 years, but relationships are way more important." You know, i- if, if I had to think about how important relationships are in the world of AI, it is everything. If I, if I had to tell somebody, "Don't do AI so you can have better relationships," that would be better. Now, I, I'm not telling people that because I use it. I have thousands of posts that I have on social media I have. But if I were to tell somebody to watch this podcast or spend time with their wife, I would say, "Go spend time with your wife." You know, there's gonna be plenty of time that you can watch a podcast. It's not going anywhere. It'll be here forever, you know. But if you lose that relationship with the most special person to you in your life or, or now you don't have it because you're scrolling all the time, and somehow this device and what you're seeing on this device is more important than the person that's sitting in front of you, oh, no, you got it, you got it wrong. L- let's go do it. But use the technology as a way, like I said, to, to save time, to say, "Oh, wait a minute, this isn't necessary," uh, you know, to, to do more of the same thing. Utilize it. And, and there's gonna be some phenomenal things like, you know, the cars that we drive that allow us to, you know, sit and somebody else is driving it for us, and it's probably safer than us driving it ourself. And I love driving, you know, and I love what, what it does and how it... But if it's safer, you know, in a bigger city to have the cars doing it for us, then do it for us. You know, people say, "Well, you know, I'm in an airplane. Why would I jump out of a perfect, good, good airplane?" Well, 'cause it's, it's a fun , you know? And so what are the things that you get to do to have fun, right? But you sit in a plane, right? If you go on a plane trip, you went all the way to Japan, you know. You weren't in control of the plane. You weren't flying the plane. You got on a plane- And I did want to jump out at some point. That was a long flight. Oh, my gosh. I was like, "Maybe I will jump out." Yes. Oh, my gosh. But yeah, so I mean, how, how do we get to enjoy life? I mean, you think about this world and all the places that you could go see and be part of and enjoy. Why are you just sitting in your house enjoying somebody's TikTok videos? That I, I, I struggle with, you know, some of that stuff that's like, what, what? No. Why do- yeah, I don't get it. Well, we spend a lot of time living other people's lives is really what it comes down to. I remember, uh- Mm-hmm ... you know, Tom MacDonald, he's a, you know, a writer and s- and, you know, singer, and he, he had gone live on YouTube once, and a whole bunch of people... He said something like, "I have big exciting news." And the comments in the live stream were all like, "I hope you're proposing to your girlfriend. You haven't proposed to her yet. It's been years," blah, blah, blah. And his response to it was just, "If people spend as much time invested in their relationship as mine with my girlfriend and wanting me to propose, uh, they'd probably be living better lives." And, and that really stuck with me. It's like we're so focused about... And, and these people maybe don't even have a fiance or a wife or a husband or whatever it is, and they're putting so much pressure on, on him because of what they see in their relationship. Also, having no idea of what goes on behind the scenes that's the reason for not being engaged or married yet, you know? But when you're talking about, like, scrolling through TikToks, like sometimes I talk all the time, we live in a day and age of modern idolatry with celebritization and where we worship celebrities as above morality, where people, one of the things I share the most is that why is it that if you commit adultery, it's wrong, but if it's with a celebrity, you know, your hall pass, it's okay? They're just people- Mm ... who happen to have been in a movie or sang a song that's really popular and generated income from it. What, what's the difference? There's nothing different morally about them that the compromise of your morality is justified. It's ridiculous. Uh, but we spend a lot of time living their life, and to the, to the point that some of the people that we watch on TikTok, on Instagram, on YouTube, we're watching them wake up, put their makeup on, watching w- them eat their breakfast, watching the... There, there's some people who live stream them sleeping, and people watch them sleep. I mean, we are just so invested in other people's lives for, again, as we mentioned earlier, really to no avail or benefit of us, you know? What would you gain from knowing that this woman went to the gym and, you know, bench pressed today and, and bench pressed 250? Like, you know, did you go to the gym today? You should go to the gym. Um, I think there's no problem with getting inspired by other people, right? Because I am. I, I wouldn't call myself an influencer, right? But I'm in the social media space. I'm in the podcasting and speaking space. Yeah. So I can't tell you to not, um, look into other people's lives, but looking into the lessons they're putting forward and their insight and impact is different than fully investing into their lives. I think there's a difference between inspiration and imitation, and I think some of us get too consumed with it. Well, yeah, you, you think about parents. Like, you, you talked about parenting, and I watch some parents now that don't buy their kids toys because they give them a tablet and they can watch other kids play. And you go- "What? What?" No, I, I... And I can get, "Oh, see how they play. See how they interact with the toy," that kind of stuff. Okay, that's five minutes. Now give them a toy and let them go play, right? Not watch for hours on hours of other kids playing with toys. And you just go, okay, so where, where have we come to in our lives where, like you said, we're, we're, um, idolizing some other people that are in our lives, and going, "Okay, but God, what did you put me on this earth for? What is my calling? Why, why have I been put on this planet, and how am I going to serve my fellow man in some way, somehow?" And it could be that, yeah, it's just you and I talking today and, and somebody's gonna come up with an idea that's gonna say, "Oh, that's what they meant by that." Or their lives are a little bit better because they spent some time here. But don't spend every day with this. Don't spend all, you know... No. Y- th- we're, we're not somebody that, uh, God has put on here says you can idolize what we do. You think, I go back to watching film of, like, Michael Jackson and, you know, some of the concerts that he put on all over the world that people were literally falling out, fainting, almost dying- It was insane for another human being. You know, I, I, I think of our, our s- Could even leave his house. No, he couldn't ... I mean, it was ridiculous. I, I think, it was, it was insane. I, I, I think about sports figures, and I love sports. Mm-hmm. I, I was an athlete. I love to win. I love competition. I love what it all means. But that much money. If it... But then I go, "But, but am I wearing another man's name on my back?" Like, what is it like- Hmm ... if, if I go to the barber shop and somebody can tell me more things about Patrick Mahomes than they can tell me what's going on with their kids, there's an issue. There's an issue. Patrick Mahomes isn't gonna sign an autograph for you. Patrick Mahomes isn't gonna, uh, give you the time of day. He probably won't even, you know, shake your hand if you walked right by him, right? But then your kids are over there, they don't know how to do their homework. Their kids are over there, they don't have, you know- Mm ... a father figure 'cause he's spending so much time watching games. He's watching football. And I- Yeah ... I watch football. I watch b- I, I, I, I watch sports, but not to the point, like, if I had a choice of going to dinner with my wife or watching a, a game- I'm going, I, I'm, I'm spending time with my wife. I'm not going to... You know, I guess if somebody gave me tickets and I get to do a Live and I'll take her with me, but my life is not, you know- Mm somebody told me, I guess, I was asking about the basketball that's happening right now, and I don't know, I guess the Knicks are beating, who did they tell me? No, it was the Sacramento or San Antonio. You know, and so great, okay. But I'm not gonna live my life, the Broncos are here in town, right? Oh, those bitches are... I mean, they got radio shows that go on all day so people can evaluate how to be a, a, a backyard quarterback or, or say, "This is what I would've done." Well, you probably wouldn't have done it, and 'cause you're saying that after the fact of what happened, now you can say, "Oh, I would've done it differently." Mm. But that's how much people get into the lives of, of others, and I think it's just so scary, um, that we're living this life. And so how are you getting up in the morning? How, what kind of routine are you doing? If I were to tell you, uh, uh, Mr. Whisky, if I were to give you the word joy, what does joy mean to you and how do you achieve it? Mm. You know? Yeah, for sure. Because it's different than happiness. For sure, it's, um- Right? Yeah. And I, I think, I think j- like, true joy is through relationship because I think, I wouldn't say a, a meme brought me joy. I would say it was funny, it was humorous, it made me laugh. I wouldn't even say, I wouldn't even say it made me happy. I wouldn't even say- Mm ... it made me feel better. Maybe it cheered me up because I was in a bad mood, but true joy and happiness is, you know, that connection with people. When I felt joy the other day, I got a record with Steve Wright, he's one of my best friends. We've never met in person. Mm. We podcast online all the time together, and the conversation and the laughter and the human connection, talking about culture and society, that was a joyous occasion. You know- Mm-hmm ... last night being able to talk to people in person about mental health and, and talk about suicide in Japan and in America, and talk about human condition, that's joyous. Mm. Or, you know, celebrating relationships. But I would never use that word for... I would never, ever use that word for if someone was like, "How did that meme make you feel?" Joyous. No, that's- Mm ... that's just not true. It's the, the, it is a much deeper internal satisfaction that can never be fulfilled by, by a joke. I've, I've seen plenty of great comedians, but I would never say... I would say it was a joyous occasion because of the people I was with attending, or because of the energy of the crowd, because of the human connection, but not the- Yeah content or the person themselves. Man, I love what you said because it, it, something you just alluded to by attending a conference. Like, I, I've been to some concerts. Like, I, I think I went to a Sade concert. It was probably the best concert that I'd ever seen. I came out there joyous, right? I came out there happy. I came out there. But if I would've went to that concert by myself, that wouldn't have happened. Mm. Right? Because I, I brought somebody with me to share an experience, and we've been able to talk about it for years, about that experience, the folks that we went to the concert with. Who cares about, you know, uh, you know, Sade and her singing? I mean, it's great and I love the music and I love the things that she's able to do, but the experience is with somebody else. You know, I, we did, you know, Elevation Worship comes to town. I, and, you know, I do stuff with, with Stevie Furtick and, you know, the, the, uh, his church there. But one of the things that when they come to different towns and go to arenas, I went and took my kids. I went to Sacramento and I took two of my kids and their husbands. Or one, one son and his wife and my daughter and her husband to the concert with us. Oh my gosh, you know how much better that concert was, that, that experience was because my family was with me? And that's where joy comes from, is that experiences that we get to share with folks, not- Getting on AI and I you know, and watching, you know, other folks or watching a meme or scrolling through TikTok or even, you know, a podcast. I can learn from podcasts and I can go do, and I hope somebody will take what we're saying to heart today and go, "Wait a minute, my relationships. That's, that's the person I gotta go call right now. That's the person that I gotta make meaningful connections every day." That's one of my affirmations. I make meaningful connections every day. I got a friend now that's happens to be in Japan, you know, because his name is Mr. Whiskey, and that's where he's at right now, right? And so for the rest of my life, I will know you, I will have spent, you know, our, our 50-some minutes that we spent together so far today and a little bit last week, and now there's an actual human connection in a way that if there's a way I can serve you, I'm sure if there's a way you can serve me, we'll figure out how to do it. But it's not because I just wanna be on a podcast so I can give it to a whole bunch of other people. No, I gotta be, I gotta be in my present, phones down, eyes up, 100% present with the person I'm talking to. And that's one of the things I said before the podcast allows you to do, is, you know, I'm looking at the screen, I'm looking at you, and you're thousands and thousands of miles away, but we still have a connection And you know what? I talk a lot about, people ask me, you know, "Mr. Whiskey, have you ever had a bad podcast guest?" Oh, yeah, I've had plenty. Uh, you know, there's, there's a rank. I have a, a hierarchy. I, you know, I have a ranking system- Mm ... for them. And, you know, I got, like, a legendary log from, you know, best to worst, and the thing is, when it comes to some of the worst guests I've had, it was guests who treated podcasts as billets to fill. As in, "I just need to get on every podcast I can to promote my book, to promote my course," or even sometimes to make an impact with a good intention. However, through that, I have had guests who did not know the name of the show, who did not know my name, who did not know the content of the show or other characteristics about me or the show that you would know just from reading the description of the podcast. You know, that shallow of a connection does not make for a good conversation. It's a, uh, it's a transactional conversation, and people hate transactional processes, you know? And, and we've- Yeah ... seen the rise of that. We've seen a lot of relationships become transactional, especially- ... uh, you know, sexually, emotionally, and financially, and it's very unfortunate. And I think that having, like you said, a guest who is attentive, who is engaged, uh, kind of is looking for the connection first and the content second. Mm. I mean, that is, it, the truth. Again, my worst guests have been people who the show was just an opportunity for them. Mm. Not an opportunity to connect, but to promote. And I always say, especially when it comes to small independent podcasters, authors, creators, we are to be each other's collaborators, not each other's clients or promoters. Uh- Mm. Promoting because of authentic connections is good, but just using us as marketing tools, as leverage, or as a means to achieve a goal, it's terrible. And, and the truth is, and you know this as, as well as I do, not every podcast opportunity is actually a good opportunity for you to make the impact and connection you want. Being on every show is not the method. Being on shows- Yeah ... that will be aligned with your mission and what you're doing is fruitful. Just being on a podcast hoping that one of their guests might pick up what you're saying or trying to sell- Mm-hmm ... even if it's a totally different genre, that's just not how it is. You know, they're- Yeah ... podcasts are not supposed to be commercials, right? They're supposed to be conversations. They're supposed to be connections. I love it. You know? I love it. So I think that's, that's one of the issues. And as, as we wrap up this episode, 'cause this has been great conversation for sure, your website has a whole bunch of information on it. I'd love for you to give us just a little 30,000-foot overview of the different, you know, functions you have on there, different programs and everything. Yeah, I'd love to. If you go to Bryan, uh, it's bryanarnold.com. That's my website. Uh, you can connect with me. Uh, my, my job or my mission in life is to help people become the person that God made them to be, and whatever I can possibly do to help you do that. And if, if I'm teaching you podcasts, if I'm teaching you business, if I'm teaching you, you know, I, I have a living trust thing that I, that I do on there. Uh, I have lots of videos and that kind of stuff, but are all dedicated for that one purpose, is to help whoever that I'm speaking with, whoever I'm talking to, whoever I'm engaging with, be the best that they possibly can be. And so everybody comes in at different levels. Everybody comes in at different places, and so, uh, I've been gifted an ability to see problems with folks and, uh, and say, "Okay, these are some holes that may be in your business that you can fix." Or I can just say, "Hey, you just need a friend today. You know, all we're gonna talk about today is you. I w- I want to know who you are." Uh, one of the things I do on my podcast, and I can't wait to have you on it, Mr. Whiskey, is, is I spend the first part of it, I, I'd say, "This show is dedicated to you, and so I wanna know who you are before I know what you do." So I'll, you, I'll let you promote your book. I'll let you do all that at the end, but right now I wanna know w- what's your story. Where did you grow up? What, what, what led you to be? Who is your identity? How did your identity shift from the person that you were to the person you are now, and where are you trying to get to? You know, what are some of the things that you do in relationships? What are... And those are the, those are the questions that I wanna ask. Those are the, the things, the conversation I wanna have because there might be something I can say at the end after we're over and the show's over, I might be able to say, "Hey, you might wanna try this or you might wanna do this. Oh, you're having trouble with your marriage? Let me show you this marriage counselor." And I connect people all over the place to, you know, folks that can help them with their, their particular situation. And so, yeah, would love for you to go to, if you wanna go to bryanarnold.com, it's there. Uh, again, you know, I ha- if you wanna be a speaker, I have speaking abilities, you know, places where you can become a speaker. If you wanna do a podcast, I could teach you how to be a, do a podcast. I'll help you get started. You know that nine, um, uh, 90% of people who do a podcast never get to 10 episodes Because they're going into it for a reason that they're, "Oh, I gotta have all these guests, and nobody's watching me." Well, I don't want people to watch you when you suck at it, 'cause w- what- Tell me one thing in your life that you were good at when you only did a few times. You didn't even tie your shoe good until you got to do it all the times. So what makes you think you're gonna do a podcast and do six episodes, and all of a sudden it's gonna be this world renowned, amazing podcast? No, you gotta go through just like all of us do, and we learn. But let, have somebody help you. You need mentors. You need coaches in your life. You need people that can help walk you through the things that you don't know how to do. Qui- quit trying to do it yourself. And I promise you, AI isn't g- gonna teach you how to do everything, 'cause they're not gonna teach you how to do connection, and that is the most import- important of any relationship is that connection. So yeah, that's, that's me. You know, you've seen the authentic, the tra- you know, I guess the, uh, transparent, uh, person that I am. And, uh, I'm just telling you right now, Mr. Whiskey and I are not done. We're just getting started. He's gonna be on my podcast, and so we'll make sure we cross it. And oh my gosh, I can't wait till this kid gets back. Eh, I don't wanna call you a kid, but, uh, you're l- you're younger to be, right? So, so I can't wait till you get back in town- By a little bit, yeah ... but we're done there. Yeah. So, um, yeah, we're not done. So thank you for having me on your show today. It has been phenomenal. I've enjoyed myself. You've let me talk. I don't get to talk this much on mine, because then my guests are the most important, right? Right. But when I get to be a guest, then I get to talk a little bit, so thank you for allowing me to do that. Yes, sir. Thank you for coming on today, taking time out of your day, away from your relationships temporarily to help us with ours and to make this impact. It's been a great conversation. And like you said, it's only the beginning, so we'll be, uh- Yeah ... making more content and connection together in the future. So thank you so much for your time today. All right. Thank you. Have a, have an amazing day, viewer who are out there. You're God's greatest gift. He loves you. Feel out to Him. Hey, don't forget you were born for greatness as well, and that greatness needs to ooze out and jump on people. And you also are an answer to somebody's prayer, so just be available for God to let use you in order to answer that prayer. You don't get to pick how that prayer is answered. You just get to pick to be available for God to use you in a way that you are going to be a phenomenal, uh, asset to somebody else today if you allow God to let you do it. So thank you for letting me be here today. I appreciate it. Amen.