Never Quit Trying: The Strength Within You With Vietnam Veteran And NDE Survivor Jay Setchell

Today, I sit down with Jay Setchell to explore the arc of his life—growing up on a working farm in Illinois to enlisting in the Marine Corps at seventeen, surviving near-death experiences, and eventually becoming an entrepreneur and author. 

Mr. Setchell begins by describing his upbringing, work ethic, and unexpected path into the Marine Corps. He walks me through his experience during the Vietnam era, including a unique assignment in criminal intelligence that exposed him to the darker realities of drug use, undercover operations, and the political complexities surrounding the war.

As our conversation continues, Mr. Setchell opens up about witnessing the divide between public perception and military reality. He shares how veterans returning from Vietnam were treated, how media coverage affected morale and public opinion, and why rules of engagement cost countless American lives. We also dive into broader topics such as physical fitness standards, modern military recruitment practices, DEI concerns, and societal shifts in work ethic, responsibility, and gratitude. Throughout these discussions, we reflect on generational softness, cultural privilege, and the consequences of lowering standards in institutions designed for readiness and resilience.

We then transition into Mr. Setchell’s book, The Strength Within You: It’s Always Too Soon to Quit. He explains how surviving death in the Marine Corps, enduring over seventy surgeries, and facing major life challenges shaped the principles he teaches today. His book outlines how individuals can tap into inner strength drawn from upbringing, faith, pain, and lived experience. We discuss topics such as perseverance, mindset, grit, leadership, and the importance of asking questions and learning from those ahead of you. Mr. Setchell details how he has started multiple companies, supported young adults, and embraced the belief that helping others is the surest way to grow.

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Transcript

 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode, a couple of nukes. As always, I'm your host, Mr. Whiskey, and I always enjoy my military based conversations, and what I have found, as I've mentioned before, is that from Vietnam to nine 11, to the newest generations getting out, myself included. A lot of us have experienced the same hardships, the same issues with leadership, with work and lifestyle environment.

And it is so interesting to see the patterns and then to also explore what was different. And so I always enjoy connecting with veterans and having conversations. It's so eye-opening, especially as I've mentioned before, the Vietnam veterans have stories that many people, especially the youngest generations would think are fictional that sound like movies or books more than real life.

But it was a different world, a different time. And we have such a veteran here today, a veteran who has undergone more surgeries than I could count on all my fingers and toes combined, who has published a book who is very successful and has lived a lot of life, had a couple near death experiences, and we're gonna get into that.

So Mr. Jay said, so great to have you here and I'd love for you to tell us a little bit about yourself, especially of course, why did you join? When did you join? Mr. Whiskey. That's a broad con. That's a, that's a broad question. I, well, I, I mean, start out real, real quick. I mean, I, I was born and raised on a, a big farm up in northern Illinois and working farm, cattle and did a lot of ag spraying and such, and went through high school, worked, worked all the time, always worked, never got anything for nothing for free.

That's, that's people don't realize nothing comes for free. But enlisted in the Marine Corps when I was 17, didn't get to go in until I was, or just after I was 18. Did, did my Marine Corps thing, died November 12th, 1969 when I was in the Marine Corps. And got out and just moved on and, and kept, kept, kept going with life.

I, I don't know, I did other. Death experiences of, I've had lots of surgeries. 73, like you had, you had mentioned that Yeah. If you had 73 toes and fingers, you were, we're in trouble. Yeah. I don't know if I would bring that up on the first date or leave it as a surprise for like, in life, I don't know.

Kind. Well, it's about that. It's kinda like, I, I say my scars are my, are my medals, whether they're internal or external. It's, I'm not ashamed of them. I, I, I've earned every one of them and, and yeah, I, I don't know that i'd, it depends on what's wrong with you that you had the surgeries, but at least I'm a man.

Imagine if you were a woman and they charged. A lot of money to do your nails. If you had 73 of them, I mean, that's gonna cost a whole paycheck and a half to get those painted. Well, yeah, and I, I did, at least I don't paint my nails, it's like Right. I thought maybe you just did a clear coating, I use a clear coating.

No, no, no. It's all natural. All natural. You were, you asked me something else too, to cover. Just why did you join? You, you mentioned being 17 years old, so a young man and what, what drew you to the Marine Corps specifically? Out of all the branches, I, I. I, I joined because it was a thing to do.

I, I joined because my cousin was seven years older than I wasn't. He was in the Marine Corps and he said, do not join the Marine Corps. Absolutely do not do it no matter what. Don't join the Marine, go to anything else. Go to England and join the Navy or something. Do anything, but don't join the Marine Corps.

So, you know how that goes. It's kinda like your dad telling you, don't drive, right. Ke keep it under the speed limit. Right. Opposition of defiance disorder, whatever, whatever it is. But that was it. And I enlisted, my, my grandfather had a heart attack that fall and, and we couldn't quite get in, so I went back down and talked to the recruiter and they had the thing they just came out with called a delayed enlistment program.

And so I, they put me, I wasn't avoiding anything. It was just, they just put me off for a couple of months and Right. Away it went. But I, I, I guess. I, you, you know what they called it? The television war because everybody watched it on tv. We didn't, I never had time to watch on tv 'cause I never watched tv.

I was always working. So I never really had anything with it. I knew a couple of the guys that graduated a year before me, or two years before me for my little farm town or local town towns or near nearby towns. And they'd gone in and, and I don't know. I, I just did it. I I, it wasn't some kind of a grand, grandiose, I'm gonna save the world or do something different, but, and I wanted, and that's not required, it's not required.

Yeah. And I wanted, I wanted, I wanted it to be harder. I mean, I was, that's the way I was, I was at as a, a kid. I mean, I always worked out. I, I mean, I was just, I. I look for something hard to do anyhow, and, and you solve problems, and that, that's how I was raised. So I guess the answer just is that, I, I thought it was gonna be tougher and harder and all that, and, and it was so, Hey, well, that's good.

Because I, me personally, I felt like Navy Bootcamp. Really shocked me in terms of physical fitness standards because, I, I grew up, I didn't watch a lot of war movies, but I saw clips here and there, and so you get this idea in your head that bootcamp is climbing ropes, crawling through the mud, like across all the branches.

Right. I'm sure in the Army, Marines, they have a much different, more intense program. But yeah, the Navy, I was really shocked. I mean, yeah, so swimming side, obviously I think it's more intense than maybe some other branches, not the Marines from what I've heard, but Right, right. I was so shocked by the lack of outdoor physical training.

And I mean, I can understand it to a degree compared to the Army or Marines, but I think you should have a, a fitness standard all across, there's anyone who is, c bound, you can expect and should be prepared to also be land bound and to be in combat and so that's why I even agree with like, at one point, the, when I was in.

Women had a different physical fitness standard than men. It was very dependent on age, and I know they, they're pushing for it to be all the same across the board, and that's how it should be. Any member in the military should be absolutely a hundred percent of their responsibility. If, if, if women find me under debris in a Navy ship during a battle, and they say, well, we can't move this because we're not strong enough, then we'll, we'll have to go fight a, a man who is, I mean, to me, that is just, now you've compromised a situation, right?

And it's not that women aren't capable of being as strong as men, right? We've seen amazing women in the fighting world, in the lifting world, right? It's just a matter of holding that standard. And even if that means less women can join because they need to meet that physical fitness standard, I think high quality candidates is better than lo quantity.

It's a quality over quantity, right? They, they lowered the education standard. They lowered all the physical fitness standards to get more people to join. 'cause more people were leaving. And what you're doing is you're combating retention and recruiting with as politely as I can say this, lower quality candidates by lowering the standard.

And you should never lower the standard. The military should be, if you meet the requirements, you can join us. If not, sorry, this isn't, this isn't like a afterschool youth club. This is like a military organization. Well, and that, and that's the way it should be, is, is inequality always beats quantity.

Well, I mean the, the qua, and the, the one that I would use as a good excuse to that, or a good reason for that is, is the chosen reservoir with the Marines fighting and the Chinese outnumbered 30 33 to one. That was the average 33 to one. I mean, that's crazy. Or the what was it on Tarawa? I think it was the, the Japanese were so in ingrained and then dug in.

They said it would take a thousand years, a million men, a thousand years to take Tarawa. And the Marine Corps did it in four days. They, don't jack with us, don't, don't threaten us. And but you're right. I mean, the, the. The, the standards down back in the Vietnam time, they had what they called McNamara's 100,000.

You probably never heard of it. You can dig it out. You can look it up. It ended up being about 300,000. But McNamara was, was insane. He was, in my opinion, he was insane. Should have never been Secretary of War or Secretary of Defense, whatever. But he wanted to bring in a hundred thousand people, particularly from the south, that were, that less than educated could be out of of physical condition.

And they were supposed to work, say in logistics or supply or, or deliver the mail or do something stateside while the better people went. To combat. Okay. Okay. But what happened was he ended up being about 300,000 instead of a hundred thousand. And unfortunately, a large portion of them got sent to Vietnam anyhow.

And their death rate, because of their inability to understand orders just the mental, the mental state and the educational state of what the people were, their death rate was three to one over the average guy. But that was, that's America. That, that was McNamara. That was, that was the time. And we shouldn't have been to Vietnam anyhow because the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened.

And, and well. That's all. It's, it's all fact and it's all proof, and it never happened. So we should have never been to Vietnam. But, but we never, were not in Vietnam. We were in Vietnam the whole time from World War ii. We were there supporting the French, but we know how that went. It DM Ben Fu. And so, I don't know, it's just kind of a, but I, but I agree.

Your example of somebody moving debris to get you free, what a, that's a perfect, that's a perfect thing to say is like, you, you shouldn't be on the ship. I mean, if you're, if you can only run the sonar and put onto earphones and, and listen to something and go Hey, commander, this is, I hear a beep out here.

It's not, no. If that's all you're gonna do, and no, I, I think it needs to get back to, I personally, I. Men on ships, and let's go at it because we're there to fight the war. We're there to protect this country. We're there to defend our things. And it, it takes a lot. And, and when you mentioned before about women being in the military there are some that are very good, excellent.

At what they do and, and can do. But when I was in, I never saw a female Marine, not one the entire time I was in the Marine Corps. I just, because of where I was or what I did and whatever, I, I never saw one. I know they existed because I heard it, right. But I never, I never saw one. Well, I think it's a matter of.

And my, my biggest thing too is what I've seen unfortunately is women have an ability that men don't, that negatively affects the military, which is the weaponization of pregnancy. I don't support that at all, of course, but I have seen it. I have seen women who right before deployment. In the Navy, oh, suddenly they're all pregnant and now they had to have a short tour in maternity leave and they don't get to go out to sea.

And, so I have seen the weaponization of, of pregnancies or, oh, I'm tired of submarine life and now I'm gonna get pregnant and force us to surface possibly to get out of here. So I think that is one of the downsides of it. But as far as like any other branch storage side, it's, I think it's, great when you have women who meet those standards, but I don't think we should lower the standard to.

Combat retention and recruiting. And another thing I'll say is I think it's really interesting, talking about wartime readiness and complacency. I, I heard a quote once. It was like, hard times make strong people. Strong people make good times, good times make weak people. And I think people, it's interesting because civilians have such an image that the military is just a bunch of train killers, and that everyone's combat side, only a small portion of the military is actually combat deployed actively right now most of them are state side doing regular nine to five, like jobs keeping, equipment sustained and doing other military operations that don't require active combat.

But everyone should be prepared for active combat. And I think part of it is complacency. There, there hasn't been a major war while we've had a lot of different conflicts going on, but even then, the number of people who are engaged in that combat compared to a war, that's a much.

Population. I think 'cause of that, it's gotten complacent to the point that we're not ready and people think, oh, well you shouldn't be ready for war because that means, you're an aggressor or this or that. No, it's about, being ready is defensiveness in his own way. Yeah. Just, just preparation.

You should. It's, well, it's like in the Marine Corps, the old thing is, it, it, it's, and you've heard it because the Navy hears that from the Marine Corps is that every marine is a rifleman, every marine is a combat rifleman. Period. End of story. I don't care if you're a pilot and you're a lieutenant colonel or if you're a a two star general, or if you're a, a gunnery sergeant in logistics or a cook, you are a, you are, first of all and foremost a rifleman that happens to be a pilot or a tank driver.

Well, we don't have tanks anymore. Okay. Or a cook or a whatever. I don't know if we even have cooks anymore. So that's the thing to get back to. And, I, I wanna mention it. It's like the standards, when when I back one of my. Jobs, one of the only job I ever had. And it wasn't a job, it was an adventure and I loved it.

But when I was doing some hiring I hired several women and, and, and when I did that, I, I put them to the same paces and, and I had guys, we, we had a very, very hard hiring process, and it was a multi-phase process. It was a three, four time. But I had guys that would get so upset, they would say, excuse me, I, I, I need to leave to go to the restroom.

And they would never come back. Wow. They wouldn't come back. And I had women, I had women that would sit down to just break down in tears. Well, but what we were trying to do was get them ready for the real world. If I put you out now to be out selling something and door to door or working on something, even if they already had the product and they don't want to talk to you today, and they get all over you and they climb up and down one side of you and down the other or climb.

I didn't say that right. Did I climb up one side of you and down the other and, and they beat up on you. I don't want you coming back and whining to me handle the problem. Right. And that was what, that's what it was. And that's what basically you're saying about the military in my opinion is, and, but yet.

Don't, I mean, the grunts or infantry in the Marine Corps are different than, they're, they're just a little bit different. I mean, and, and it doesn't mean bad, but the guys that are, that are in Amtraks or whatever, don't tell them that they can't be infantry because they'll get out there and they'll fight to prove it, because that's how it is.

But it's the same thing with somebody who comes off the submarine to an aircraft carrier. Two completely different operations, but yet each one has its own problems and terrors and fears and, and dangerous situations regardless. So you need to be prepared. Okay. You have been on a submarine for six months.

Oh, now you're gonna be on an aircraft carrier for another year, and you're gonna work the flight deck. Wow. That's a whole, that's a whole new, a new project. The, the versatility. I think one thing, like I remember nuclear operators complained that we didn't get a lot of firearms training. And the excuse was, well, if the enemy's gotten to the point where you are like, you at that point just give up because it means the whole sub or whole ship has been compromised.

And that kind of mentality really did not sit right with me. It's like, no, no, to, to the last defense, to the last line. Like, that's, that, that is real war. We're not gonna just, all right, they've made it this far and we're giving up because, we're at like the, the very core of the ship. No.

In whatever it is. It's like, no, like to the, to the last line. Like every member of the military should be trained in, in physical combat and firearm safety and training and, all across the board. And swimming too. I don't care if you know your Air Force Navy. Army Marines. You, you should have swimming training.

You should have physical fitness training. Now, I, I will say like my one sister, she was the first female in five years to get picked up for the special rate within her rape because she was the only female who had met the physical fitness standards for that job. Oh, okay. In the past five years. So I was super proud of her.

Wow. But five year, I mean, that's, that's a pretty big gap. So that's a long time. That's a big gap. I and that, well, that's one thing. I mean, it's like in, in one mind, any weapon you can use a pencil. I don't give, it doesn't matter. You can look around your desk and find something, a coffee cup. I, you can, whatever you got.

But oh gosh darn. It was something you were just saying there about, being, oh, I know. I've got a, a good friend of mine, he's in Germany right now wrapping up a, a project, but he was sergeant of the guard in charge of the new keys for the USS kitty hawk from 71 to 73 or 72 and 73, I don't recall.

But he used to talk about running down the game plank. They had three minutes from the call from the captain of the ship to have the nuke keys to the door to unlock the door. And they would run down, this group of 5, 6, 7 Marines with shotguns. And they, he said, boy, some of the Navy guys would stick their heads out the, out the hatch to see what's going on.

And he said they'd clock 'em, they'd knock 'em out. It didn't matter. Get the hell out of our way. We are coming through baby. Right. And because they had three minutes and that's a big ship. It's a lot of stuff. So, yeah. So, yeah. But that, and that was, it's just a whole different world. I had a leader who, that was one of his favorite parts was if he was on one end of the submarine and a fire was caught on the other end and he would get the stuff and try to, get to it.

Because, and that's what I like as some see submarines are very everyone does everything focused in a sense that everyone is damaged control and firefighting, trained to such a higher level than anywhere else in the Navy because, it's, it the, if the ship goes down, we all go down.

It's a summary. Oh, it's a limit. It's a limited, it's a limited amount of area and space to do it in too. Right. And it's one of those things where you need instant response. So whoever is there, and that's also in, in the military, like at least in the Navy side, if you come across their casualty, like you are the man in charge, you are like responsible for that at least until someone higher up gets there.

But you know, you don't just. Call it in and then leave, like you take care of it. And so I will say, at least at where I was stationed, we all got T triple C, casualty, combat care training and stuff like that. So, to the basic degree, but I think it needs to be a lot more.

But moving on from military standards, I wanna get more into your story. Sure. You've kind of expressed a little bit about your, I guess for lack of better words, political opinion about the Vietnam War. I wanna get more into your experience during that time. First, like when you were sent, how you felt and what you did while you were over there.

I did not spend a lot of time over there. I did not stand extended lengths of combat time. I was, I, I started out in tanks in the Marine Corps, the old M 40 eights and M 60 tanks and stuff. And, and at that time our, our in 68, 69, 70, our tank, I did, I wasn't aware of it then, but I did later.

It was 75% casualty rate, so it was a very, very high rate. Right. But I was, I was set up to go to Vietnam for Bravo Company, third tanks up at third Marine Division up on Con Conn, which is on the de demilitarized zone. And I witnessed a drug deal go down, and I ended up, make a long story short, I ended up being part of criminal intelligence.

So my trips to Vietnam were more like part of a sog unit, special observations group where you were in CID but you were undercover. So you, let's say that you were going to head to Vietnam, you're part of a unit, doesn't matter what it is. Tanks amtraks, grunt, doesn't matter. Maybe you're sick or they pull you out.

It, it just ma and then they just stick. They stuck me in and I was in under a different name, different serial number. And you went over and you followed that, and I see, oh, I see this guy. He's, he's a, he's acting a little weird, it's like, oh, he's on some, so you find out what they're on, what they're taking you, you try to get into where they got it and, and it didn't take much.

It's like, Hey, I, I'd like to, can I have a little bit here? Oh, yeah, okay. And you, they shared. And so from there you would just find out more about where did he get it from, where did they get it from, and try to take it up. So you were just a piece of the puzzle. And I would turn my information in, my written reports in to go on back.

But, but you witnessed enough. You saw enough. And, and it's it's, it's indescribable, but yet there's people that had had Vietnam service, quote unquote, but yet they were air traffic controllers in Thailand and they never went to Vietnam. They flew over Vietnam. There were guys in the Navy that got a lot, a lot of 'em got Vietnam accommodation medals, but yet they were at sea and never saw land.

So it was kinda like, but yet you've had guys on land that saw a combat 18 hours a day till they got hit and killed or blowing up or whatever. I've got a friend of mine in Florida that is a real good friend of mine, and he was in Vietnam five days and stepped on a mine, lost both his legs and part of an arm.

Five days, five man patrol. And he, he was in the middle, stepped on the mine. The, the explosion, the mine went out of course, and killed the man in front of him and the man behind him. And they were all separated. That was, that was before, what was it when they c COVID? It was called when you were separated you had to stand six feet apart.

Uh uh ah, they had a word you're talking about social distancing? Social distancing. Well, when you social distance, back when we were in it was like 15 to 20 feet. Okay. But anyhow, these two guys caught it too much. And the point man, and the tail gunner, they got a little shrapnel, but they didn't, they didn't get injured badly.

But Francisco, he's, and he's been a minister and a pastor for the last 45 years, and he had, he had a rough. 10, 15 years of dealing with it because you, of course you go to Vietnam, you're there five days and boom, it's done. It's over. And but what I saw there was good and there was bad.

It's just you, you can see a lot. But, but the problem was, was coming home and seeing the stuff because you were totally disrespected. You were to, it didn't matter what you did. It didn't matter if you were doing it under orders. It didn't matter if you volunteered, didn't matter if you got drafted. The Marine Corps, when I went in the Marine Corps, they weren't drafting.

It was still all, all volunteer. But, but to see some of the people and then some of the people now that. They, they want, and you, you've seen it, you, you've, you've witnessed it is stolen valor, people that wanna run around with 75 ribbons on it. And they got Sergeant Stripes on the side and they got a, a, a majors well to you to be a lieutenant commander emblem on their, on their shoulder.

And they call themselves a sergeant major. Well, because it's a major, major emblem and it's a Sergeant Stripe, right. So it's like, what in the world? And these people don't have any clue, but you had to be prepared. And you said about your medical training. We, we got that in bootcamp and ITR, but, pressure bandages.

And we had, we had 10, 10 stations, and if you didn't pass all 10 stations, they beat you pretty good. And you, you, you, if you had to do it again and failed, you needed the bandages. Right. Well, and one of the things is with like a lot of stuff like. Maybe it's annual or it's just like, did you do it once?

Are you qualified? Like, this needs to be continual stuff. Like, oh yeah, sure. I, I, I've, I've handled a win list, tourniquet before, I couldn't tell you the last time I had to do it. Like it's just because you do it once doesn't mean you know how to do it. But that's a very military mindset where a lot of people teach that way too.

Like, all right, you saw me do it once, so now you can do it. It's like, no, this is, most of us are high schoolers. We don't even know what you're teaching us and we need to go through it again. And I think what's so interesting about that is just, yeah, it's a, becomes a annual checkbox and you need to, go through it over and over again.

And I've seen a one, one interesting story I heard from a Marine was that they were in bootcamp and obviously you don't have your phone, you don't have access to the outside world, and they got. An announcement, like, one of the higher ups comes in and said, some country, and this was during a time where there was a lot of political tension, he came in and said, Hey war's been declared like this country attack this country.

Like you are all grad, considered full Marines graduating today and you're being shipped out tomorrow. And you have, like, some people were crying and, and they actually said, if you want to go home, if you're scared to go to combat, you can. And oh, it turns out it was all, hoax and anyone who volunteered to go home or whatever, like, boom, kicked outta Marine bootcamp.

And they said there, it's not happening today, but you need to be ready for it to happen at any moment even, even before you graduate here. And so that was one of the coolest marine bootcamp stories I ever heard. Eddie, Don. Wow. I'm sure when you went through, so when you went through bootcamp, it was the Vietnam time, or not yet, right?

Right. Oh yeah, definitely. It was, it was as fast, yeah. Totally. D. Well, they cut bootcamp from 14 weeks to nine weeks, and you did everything in nine weeks. That you did in 14 weeks. So you, you, your days were longer. Sundays weren't a day off. Right. So to speak, to do personal stuff or whatever. At the ba right, right there at your, and we lived in Quonset huts.

We didn't have barracks and the old metal round, half round buildings. And but oh no, you, you were, you, you were, and there was a lot of physical abuse. I, I don't call it abuse, it was physical training. It was like, to use a word that they called us a lot was a turd. A turd, Plano turd. Well, that stood for trainee under rigid discipline.

So it had a little. Tone to it, but yeah, you were a, oh, you were a puke, you were a, you were lower than a civilian. You were, it was, I mean, and you got hit, you got punched. I mean, if you didn't get punched in a solar plexus and throw up blood, something was wrong. Everybody got it. Everybody got it. I mean, punched in the face, it didn't matter.

Very different nowadays. Oh, now they can't even call him a name. You, you can't even call him a name. My buddy wanted it where, when he ranked up to get it, smacked into his chest to pinned on, and they said they weren't allowed to do that, that that was hazing and improper because to do what someone complained one time it, I don't remember the name for it, but when he ranked up and, you get your, your new rank tab.

It has the Marine Corps in the back, the Marine Corps. This is, this was Navy side. Okay. The, the thing was like, I think when you went from E four to E five or whatever rank it was, they would, smack the pin into your chest, so Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A little bit. Right, right, right. And they said, you can't do that anymore.

It's considered hazing, like, that it was wrong. And someone complained that someone had done it too, too strongly one time, and so they couldn't do it. But, and there, there was people who wanted to do it because it was like a, it was a sign of, of manhood and military service, it was you're ranking up like there, there's gonna be more responsibility on you and more pressure, and it's gonna be a lot more difficult.

You don't just rank up for nothing. Well, nowadays, nowadays you do, but you're not supposed to. Well, I, I, I remember, it's like yeah. If you got picked up, Lance, corporal, corporal sergeant, anybody your rank already a sergeant or a corporal or above you that was available. There may only be four, might be 20.

It depended. But they took your chevrons and they just, they took the two pins and they just shoved them in your arm and then everybody come by and wha you on the arm. Well, right. Pun punch 'em. Well, now recon they used to do it on their chest. It was, that was just, that was their thing. And did it hurt?

Yeah, it hurt. But you pulled the pins out. You, you put a bandaid over it, you put a little sav on or whatever they gave you. And it, it, it was over, it was a, it was a done deal. And where you sore a few days later. Sure. But it's not, it's not like going into combat, getting your legs blown off. It's not like going into it, it's just society's, not just the military.

Society is so sensitive nowadays about everything, and you talked in the very beginning about nothing is free and there is so much blind privilege in this world and, spoiled people that it really is so upsetting. Even this morning one of my fellow podcasters, we have a group chat together and he was in a moral, dilemma where he's trying to rebuild a relationship with his children, but they were being ungrateful.

They got an early Christmas gift from their grandparents and it was just money and they were complaining about the amount and like, hi. His mindset was there are people who get nothing, who have no Christmas, no. And here you are complaining, but he's trying to rebuild his relationship with them, so he doesn't want to address it.

But you know, it, even that call this morning, I was like, man, there's so much ungratefulness in the, in the world and so much privilege. One of the musicians I listened to, he said, people are complaining about the world as they're drinking their Starbucks texting on, whatever social media platform it is.

Like I commonly will express, like, these are first world problems, because there's so many things people complain about, like, the, the amount of food waste and, and, and, people complain about their food. There are starving people across the world and, I. I hate hearing people complain about stuff like that.

I work in abortion alternatives and abortion prevention and, a lot over 75% of abortions are financially driven. So we got compete people who are killing their own children because they don't have enough money to, to raise them. Meanwhile, we've got people with private spaceship spaceships and jets and airplanes and multiple houses, and, people complaining that, oh, the amount of money we don't have is enough to buy our third car.

I, meanwhile we have a mother who has to kill her child. It's just ridiculous. I, I think that that is probably something that's always gone on. It's always gone. It's gone on from the Roman times or before that, just a different degree. But what you are saying here is you said something about, you didn't have a phone.

I mean, I, I, I remember way, way, way before pagers were ever even talked about a satellite. What's the satellite? It's like you, you don't have any comprehension. But I that, that in general, the soft, the softening of this country, and I, and they want it now. And I've called it for years, I've called it the Microwave Society because they want it immediately.

It's like, put it in the microwave. Oh, let's nuke it, nuuk King. Speaking of s Yeah. But yeah, a couple, well, we'll nuke it a couple of times 'cause it's not warm enough, right. But it's still radiation. But my point is that it's instant gratification society. Too much people want it right now.

We're raising twins. They're eight years old. We've had 'em since they were three weeks old. And I know that, and it drives me crazy. But the first thing they wanna do when they get up in the morning before they head off to school, is get on their iPads for five or 10 minutes. It's like. Oh my gosh. I mean, when I was their age, eight years old, you were outside feeding cattle and climbing silos and, and busting your butt and coming in and you were out before sunup because the cattle were already mooing and you never thought a thing about it.

But like you said you can get 20 bucks or 50 bucks or whatever it is and it's not enough. And back in our day, you got some, your, your aunt knitted you a pair of mittens and you didn't like mittens because I liked gloves. 'cause I had my, I used your fingers for tractors and and, but yet you still wrote Ant Sally a thank you note that said Aunt Sally, thank you for the mi They will keep my hands very warm.

Thank you. Love you Jay. We were, we, we had to do that. But you, you learned responsibility, you learned about appreciation. And today it's just like. They go from nothing is ever good enough. Oh, they go buy Whataburger and then they go buy McDonald's and they go buy Chick-fil-A and then they go buy here.

And they go, well I want that instead. Well, I want that, instead, no, hey, let's go home and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or whatever. Let's go home and have a bowl of soup. Let's go home and make something. People enable it is what you're, you're getting at. Oh, a lot of it's, a lot of it's enabled.

And, and, and, and, and you said before about the, the better, the easy times make for poor, a weaker person. And it's true because you want to give them and give them and give them, and they don't understand what it took to get it. And the person that's giving it already had a good time because of the people that paid the price.

And they don't realize what they're giving away and how bad they're hurting the person underneath them and, and, and, and, and their children at this point and, and young people. And I, it's like even people in their thirties, I, a lot of people, there's some very, very good ones, very, very sharp ones.

You're 23, you're, you're, you're sharp with it. You're on. But the ball, you're on the stick. You got an understanding. But there's a lot out there that don't have a clue. And I know a lot of people that aren't hiring college graduates, for example, they're not hiring. They won't, they won't do it. They will not do it.

I don't give a a hundred percent. 'cause they, they it out, they want more. They want all this, they want all this, they want, they want this, they want that, they want whatever, but they don't have any experience. Mm-hmm. I'd rather hire somebody that's got three years. A good experience or a couple years of experience of doing something, of, of working and understanding sweat and pain and hurt than going to college to get something that, you know, and when I did a lot of interviewing back with, with a corporate, a big corp, fifth largest corporation in America at the time, 90, it was about 96% of the people that I interviewed.

You were supposed to have a college degree. I don't, I never did. But 96, about 95, 90 6% of the people never even worked in the, in the, the area that they got a degree in. And, and that, and it's the same way today. It's not. It's just they want a piece of paper, but that piece of paper just cost you 20,000, 50,000, a hundred thousand, 200,000, whatever.

Now there's certain things, whether that's a, an attorney or whether it's a doctor or whether it's certain things. But with the DEI and the wokeness, if you wanna address those issues, I don't want somebody that went to co a medical school on a DEI or a woke school to get them through so they could say we, we promoted somebody through because of this reason.

Right. To operate on me. Mm-hmm. And I've had a lot of operations. I don't want a, a little operation or a big one. It's, it's like, do you want a guy fresh outta school that's an attorney defending you for murder? That, that doesn't know anything. Or would you rather have Perry Mason, it's like, well, I think it's, it's all across the board.

What it should be is that all job applications and rank for the military and corporate rank up opportunities. You should see the awards, the experience, and that's it. There shouldn't be any race, any age, or gender, whatever it is. It should just be based solely off of the experience and qualifications.

One of the reasons that I, I left the military in combination with medical issues was because of politics. Because a promotion that I was supposed to be getting was given away for DEI because I didn't fit the billet because, quote, we need more Asian instructors. We have black, Hispanic, and white.

We don't have enough Asian people here. So. I think with, like you said, I mean Tom McDonald once said I don't care if my airplane pilot is gay or not, as long as he can fly the plane. Like it doesn't matter. And I think that it shouldn't be, and honestly with some of these, I mean, it is ridiculous.

I've seen stuff on the news where schools and, and other universities and even just hospitals or having you like assigned some places are doing, you're putting your newborns gender yourself. Like is, or are they male, female, they don't know yet. Or, or like a bunch of other stuff and it's just ridiculous.

You, sexuality shouldn't have anything to do with a job period. I can understand gender age for demographic statistics, right, for research purposes. But what does sexuality have to do with it? That has nothing to do with it. Age. Age and gender, right? Those that have always been part of business, of target marketing, of understanding your audience, your demographic or who's working for you and what kind of promotions.

But sexuality should have nothing to do with it. That shouldn't be public information to begin with. I, a guy said if I'm, I don't have a straight flag in my front yard because it's no one's business. That is my private, intimate life. So why I never thought about that, the personality, I love that perspective because I said, now I don't support homosexuality at all.

In terms of it is, I think it is wrong, and it's not natural and it's a sin. But regardless, even if you are homosexual. That doesn't change your personality, it's just supposed to just be an attraction to the same gender. So why has it changed the way you talk, move your hands and become a personality?

That, and that's the part right there, is it's become a public statement, not a preference or an attraction. It becomes a public statement and a political statement. And that's my big issue with it. Right. Being straight isn't my personality. Being straight is how I have my intimate time in my, my romance life.

It has nothing to do with my show or my content or what I wear. No. And, and people are gonna say, well, obviously you're dressed like a straight man because I have a cowboy hat on. But I If you think there are, gay people who don't wear cowboy hats, you're very wrong. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Well that's, cap has a whole music video about that, yeah. The Ping Pony Club. Well, we, we, we had the, what is it that the president danced to the, the, what was the group that sang the, ah, that song, DDY mca, the YMCAs by the Village people. And they, they had, yeah, the village people, and they were all gay. And I mean, they were, I never knew that until recently, but it makes sense.

I, I didn't know it for, for years. I didn't know either, I thought the whole thing was, they, they had like a, each person was like a different career slash Yeah. Indian and a soldier and a, we, we knew the Navy guy was gay, but I didn't know the rest of them were too. Yeah. Well, yeah, I, I didn't either for while, I mean, I, I don't know, but it's like you said, a straight flag in your front yard.

I never thought about that. I, I need to do that just for the heck of doing it now that you said it. Well, there even, there isn't even a, a straight fight, they've made like, probably a hundred different flags by now. They have one for pansexual, queer, asexual, but they, I mean, they keep making more and more flags.

It's, it's, but no one's made a straight flag. It's, it's like, it's, it's like the holidays. It's like somebody, and I watched a comedian the other day, says, how can we, how can we have hundreds of thousands of men have died for this country? How many thou, hundreds of millions have been wounded or hurt, right.

Or damaged. Okay. And we got one day for Memorial Day Day, we got Veterans Day, we got millions of veterans. Mm-hmm. We got one day, but we got gay pride month. Right. So that means if, and I'm not trying to get in a big argument with everybody on it. The fact is a month really, or you have Black history month, or you have this month, or you have that month.

When did they have straight white guy? Day. Well, and their counter argument is every day and every year has been straight white guy, time. And I, I think especially on your point to the veteran, you have Veterans Day and, and not, more time dedicated to them. And the thing is, we couldn't have a pride month if we didn't have veterans.

Right. I mean, that's what's false. That's, yeah. You look at other countries, they persecute and kill people for being homosexuals, and, and funnily enough, I watched a comedian the other day, he said, so America allows homosexuality, but then they support these countries that would kill them. They're saying free Palestine and supporting countries that, and, and talking about, Americans are or are killing Muslims, and that's wrong.

And then the Muslims are the ones who would kill the homosexuals if they were in their country, so it's, well, I I, it's a very ironic thing where the ones America. A, a lot of people on, on the left side hate America, but America is the only country where they can actually express themselves to the degree that they do.

And they think it's such an oppressive country. It is the least oppressive country in the whole world. I, you, you, you're, you're on, you're preaching to the choir because I know, I've talked to people before about, I go like, it's like, what, what, whatever your choice of sexuality is, it doesn't matter. They, you go over there, they're gonna throw you off the rooftops and yet they want 'em here.

And it makes no sense. It's all ironic. It's just, it's just, I it's ironic that they, they, they're supporting it, but yet when they, the first people, they're gonna kill before nonbelievers, and they've said that before they kill nonbelievers, they're gonna kill the people that have other choices. And it's, it's crazy.

And, before nonbelievers, I mean, that really shows you what, what. The expectation is because, oh yeah. Those, those are the kinds of religions that they're in, territorial wars of other countries to expand their religion. So, wow. I mean, that is just a, a powerful statement. Yeah. But I, I, and I don't know.

You, you not, not, I'm, I'm not, I, I don't even like to get onto the politics side, but, it's like the, the Palestinian issue. It's like, if the Palestinian issue was not such a problem. Why don't the other countries take in people from Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia where, wherever take in other Muslims. Well, they're not Muslims. They're considered, I mean, I know they are, but they're considered Palestinian. And why they won't even take their own is beyond me. But yet they want us to take 'em, well, that's another whole subject, so, oh, yeah, yeah. We're still, we'd be better to move on.

We're still in Vietnam now. We've talked to modern conflicts, but there's a lot of similarities between Vietnam and other conflicts that, you know, politics, play and media coverage plays such a huge role into how society feels. Oh yeah. About conflicts, Vietnam, that was part of it was, all the political and then being one of the first wars with media coverage like you mentioned.

So I, I think that's interesting. Yeah. Embedded. I mean, the, the photographers or videographers, they actually had some taking pictures and sending stuff back that they shouldn't have that it's, war is war. War is hell. It's, it's done, world War I was supposed to be the war to end All Wars. Then we had World War II and we won a war.

World War II was the last war we won. It was the last war anybody won because nobody's won a war since. And I don't care if it's Vietnam, I don't care if it's Korea, I don't care if it's anything in the Mid East. I don't care if it's Zelensky and Putin. I don't, I, it doesn't matter whether it's us or them.

There are no winners. It's always a, a, a, a a, what do you call it? A, a treaty or a, a compromise, whatever word. Compromise. A compromise and no if you're gonna go to war, and there should be no rules of engagement. How many people I knew, even in Vietnam, that died because of rules of engagement, much less.

You hear it talked about in the mid East. Yeah. I just had, I just had that conversation the other day, the sandbox. There's the, was it the Geneva Convention? Like, oh, chemical warfare is inhumane. What, what do you think war is? War is, is inhumane. That's the, that's the most primal thing, is killing each other because words have failed.

So to put rules on it and say, well, we're gonna fight, but not to the full degree. I mean, I think that's really, I can understand the human humane aspect of it, trying to keep things civil, but if you've gotten to the point of war, I feel like you've crossed that civil boundary. And now, like you're saying, you're just gonna have casualties on your own end by trying to play Fair quote.

Well, it's a, I, I watched a podcast, well, not a podcast, it was a YouTube show the other day, and I was looking at it and listening to, and the guy was talking, he was army Special Forces. He was talking about how some of their men were getting killed. And because Obama didn't want to drop a bomb in case there might be some collateral damage, but he didn't care if our men got killed.

The whole team got killed. It didn't matter. And, and that's the way, like in Vietnam, if you're calling in for fire support, whether it's mortars, whether it's artillery, whether it's airstrikes, a lot of the times, depending on where you're at, but a lot of times it had to go to Washington. Well, when it got to Washington, that's halfway around the world, they're sound asleep.

Oh, well, by the time you get the information back, even if you got permission, everybody's already dead or, or they're badly injured. Everybody just calling it in. You, you need to, it's it, unless you're there and then they, and then they deran you. They, they send you to court. We, we had a gentleman who was on the show shared about he wrote about a man and it was in his fictional writing, but it was all based off his real time in Vietnam.

And what he saw he had to use a trench shovel to kill a bunch of Vietnamese. Oh sure. Because he, he ran out of Amil and they said that was inhumane, slaughtering. And they took him to court. For, they, they all had firearms. He was the last person alive on the team and he had to use a trench shovel to, to kill people.

And they said, that's inhumane. Bruto Slaughter. And they took him to court. I mean, that kind of stuff just is so ridiculous using an e-tool. But, but yet they used him in, in Korea. I mean they, when you ran outta your rifle ammo and pistol ammo and whatever else, of course I, that does, they don't tell you how many times that we had guys in the Army, in the Marine Corps in particular, 'cause that we were the ones in the field that, that died from being bayonetted because they, they didn't like the ammo and the m sixteens jammed all the time.

And so they couldn't fire, they had full clips, one in the chamber that wouldn't go off and, and they got bayonetted to death, but. Is that on the Geneva Convention? Now, when the M 16 first came out, it had a tumbling round. When the, when the round went in, you, it went in a small hole, but it blew a big hole outta you.

A big hole and one round would take you down. But you hear all sorts of people say, Hey, those 5, 5, 6 green tips that they're using in the, in the sandbox, they have to shoot people 6, 8, 10, 12 times to take 'em down. Otherwise, just, it's just one quick hole right through you. Right. And now what's more humane or what's more inhumane?

Shoot them 10 or 12 times or shoot 'em once 'em be done with it, and, and, and it doesn't matter. I mean, what, what was ISIS doing? Putting people in cages and then lighting them on fire or dropping 'em into swimming pools or doing whatever. Now that's all. Okay. But when we're gonna go out, we have to get permission to watch, to, to shoot somebody that we just watched, set a roadside bomb that's gonna blow up the convoy.

That, that we can't do it. We can't do it, but we're gonna let our men die because that's the rule that some non-combatant, nevermind. I don't want to, I don't want to say what I wanna say. No, but I, I'm in total agreeance with you. It's ridiculous. And, that's a, a whole conversation on its own.

But for the sake of time, just because, yeah, go ahead. Got a lot of meetings today. I wanna focus in on your book especially, I think that's the biggest, obviously you've been through a lot of adventures in life. Like we mentioned, a lot of surgeries, near death experiences, Vietnam the whole hiring process and, and working that side.

So your book is kind of a culmination of all that. I want to talk about that. Okay. I, I had been asked to write a book for years, many, many years, and I looked back and I thought, if I had, I sure would've missed a lot. So that was kind of a, a lot of, a lot of stuff in there. But I was finally convinced a couple of years ago to do it and I, I dictated it took me about a year and a lot of it was pretty hard thinking back about things I've been trying to forget for 55 or 60 years it happened dying in the Marine Corps.

I, I don't wanna remember it. I don't wanna remember the details, right. So the book really. Amounts to, it's called the Strength Within You. It's always too soon to quit. So that's the main title is the Strength Within You and the subtitle. It's always too soon to quit, so, but it's really a, yes. It does cover some of the medical issues.

The, the deaths, it doesn't get into 'em, and a lot of detail. It covers a couple of surgeries or a couple of weird, crazy things that happened while I was in the hospital after surgeries. But it's more about how do you find the strength within you to, to fight the battles that you're going to have to the adversities you're gonna come across.

Do you find a strength from your upbringing, from your, from your, your, your religious bringing upbringing if you had one, or your relatives from your neighbors, from, from friends, from teachers? Do you find it from life expe? Experience. Do you find, do you find it from anger, frustration, pain? Pain can be a great motivator.

It can be a great motivator. But using all those tools, everything that you can find within you or, or lessons or things you've learned, things, just the way you've assimilated life and become knowledgeable about things. Do you dig into that and understand it to combat it? But I want people to understand the tools that they can have within them, the strength within them to fight the adversities, the obstacles, the roadblocks, the failures that they're going to all have in life.

And you're gonna have in life, you're gonna run into things as you already have. But some of 'em could be major. Very major, and you don't want them to be, but they just happen. I didn't want to break my neck in multiple places and drown when I was 31 and a half. But it happened, and, and right. It, it, it just does.

So that's really, the book is really more about helping you get through and finding in the reviews we've had on it are. Amazing. Amazing. They, they just read it. It's a good thing to dig in. And, and I put a lot of little comments in there about doing things like, inch by inch, it's a cinch. In other words, you can't go out and do anything.

You didn't learn what you learned in the Navy. You didn't learn what you're doing now. By taking great big steps today. I'm gonna go from here to, I'm gonna be podcasting tomorrow. It, you, you did it a little bit at a time, right? So, you can get, you can get down the road a long ways like that, but listen to other people ask questions.

It's like I've done, I've started, oh my gosh, I don't know, 25 companies. We've taken some into the six figures, seven figures, eight figures. And, and a lot of it people don't understand. They need to ask questions. What is it that needs to be done? What, what service, what product? Talk to other people that are doing it.

If you are running a, a really successful roofing company, putting on a certain kind of roof, and you're in Georgia, I'm in Tuka, McCarey, New Mexico, you're not, I'm not going to be in your market and you're not in my market. So if I come visit you and I sit down and I'd like to talk with you for three or four hours, I'll pay you for your time if you want, whatever.

But figure out what it is. What, what have you run up against? What don't you understand? And always, you should always know, know your competition. Know, know what you know, your adversities know, know or your adversarials know what you're gonna go up against. And it, it, it just really helps. But the book itself, like I say, and that it's gonna be available on, it's, it's coming out the 20th. They added it on presale right now for the ebook. It's matter of fact, it's number one in teenage older teen, older teen and younger adult motivational, inspirational books. And it's also number one in attitude attitudes or something. What, what was that? They told me the, the publisher sent attitudes and ways to get through physical problems and issues like I've had. And, and that's what, that's what it's about. It's like, what, what, what did it take you to get through a certain thing? Go back and put it in there.

That's, that's what it's about. And that is sharing. And I, I believe that the more people you help, the better person you become. And it's just, it's a good, it's a good way to look at things. And, it's, it, it talks about attitude, it, mindset, it talks about, faith and hope and believing, and I believe there's a difference between faith and believing and hope, I hope I'm gonna hit the target at 500 meters with iron sights, which is not a big deal.

I, they make us sound like a big deal, but it's not. And, but yet, if you have the faith. In your heart, you know it's gonna happen. And if you believe something to be true, whether it is or isn't, you're right. And people forget that they, they just forget the fact that if you really, a lot of people get things done when they're mad as hell are on fire with a cause and it's like.

Yeah, whatever's bothering you about something or whoever's listening and, and today is the day, I'm tired of it. I'm not gonna take it anymore. I'm, I'm sick of it. And you go out and do something about it today. Now, we might have been bothering you for five years or 10 years, and you just didn't do anything.

You always complained about it, but that one day, something got under your skin and you, bye God. I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna take care of it. I'm gonna make it work, or I'm gonna stop it, or whatever the case is, I'm gonna get it done or at least get it almost done and I can finish it up the next day.

But that, that's really what it is. It's more about helping, helping yourself get ahead and helping other people and making it through things that most people can't make it through. I. I, I, I, I talk about several different things in there, but it's only like 160 pages long. It's not very, not a very long book, but, but I, I, like I said, from the reviews that we've gotten on it are staggering.

'cause you talk about grit, you talk about perseverance, you talk about courage, talk about per perseverance like I said, determination talk about all these words, but what do those words really mean? What are they really gonna do? It's like you can accomplish things. It's like attitude and, and or mindset.

And, and, and if I may, I, I, I'll give you a good example. Real quick, a mindset. When I was, when I, many, many years, about 40 years ago, I was on the beaches over in Georgia. And they had these little wind carts that you would get in sail. A sailor would understand it be, well some, if you sailed with a sail, you would understand it.

Right? Right. But you were a nuclear submarine. You wouldn't understand it. But, but what it was, was they were carts that had wheels that were, oh, I don't know, 20 inches, 20 inch tall wheels, and they were on a little cart, and then they had a, a sail up, say 15 feet in the air. And this cart would go down the beach at 40, 50, 60 miles an hour with the wind.

And they had one that had two people in it. And I was disabled enough that I got a ride and I'm going down the beach and we're, we're cruising along. I mean, wind's going like, heck coming off the Atlantic Ocean. And we're like, oh. Next thing I know, here comes a cart from the other direction, going the other direction.

It's going northbound while we're going southbound. Same sand, same cart, same wheel, same sail, same wind, everything. And going back the other way, I was thinking, what is it that does that, how, how do you get two carts going the opposite direction that are the, it just made no sense. Well, what it is, is it's the set of the sale.

It's the set of your sale. It's the set of your mind. If you believe something to be true, if you believe you can do something. So how you have a mindset. Now I had one gentleman I, I had a disagreement with 'cause he said, oh, I don't like the word mindset. That means your mind is set. No, your mind is not set all the time.

Because those carts were good example. It was set, the sail was set going southbound. It was changed around to go northbound. But so your mindset. To believe something is actually possible and you can accomplish it. You just have to find out the, the, the ins and outs to how to do it and put it together like you're doing with what you are doing.

That's, that's a good mindset. You have a good attitude about it. There's fixed versus dynamic. People forget that mindset. You can have a fixed mindset where you're not open to change and learning and you can have a dynamic one where you adapt and evolve and change. Yeah. But still are aligned with what you believe, which is so important.

I talk a lot about alignment and Mr. Ro I hate to do this, but because of time and the holiday season, everything. Go for it. I'm gonna have you back on, another day. 'cause there's, there's a lot to unpack. You like, like you and I have talked about off Mike, there is so much to unpack because the whole dis disability field, it is a whole episode on its own.

And that's definitely a conversation. Yes sir. I'll get into with you along with, post-military service ID and all, all of that stuff. And so we're gonna have the. Link for your book below for people to get, it's coming out right with the holiday season. So perfect stocking stuff or if, if you will, for people, especially like you mentioned, those young adults, setting them up for the right course.

What I've been sharing a lot lately on the show is that our look back is someone else's look forward. And so as mentors and leaders, it's important for us to help set them up, right? We need to understand that you mentioned the power of questions and asking questions and getting advice from people ahead of you is important.

But we as the people who are ahead, need to remember that people don't even know to ask questions. And so sometimes it's on you, your responsibility to give answers to unprompted questions. And I know people say, well, that's unsolicited advice. No one's gonna listen. Yeah, if you do it respectfully, politely and in alignment with them they will be receptive to it.

So it's not lecturing, it's gifting. And so, we gotta do it in a proper way. But it's important because a lot of times our children and young adults that we're mentoring, they either are too scared to ask questions or they don't even know to ask, or what questions to ask, and it's on us to help, cultivate those life lessons.

It is, it is. And it's, there's a, there's a one, one of the quick ways around, it's just like saying, you know what, you're, you're doing pretty good job at that. Can I show you a different way to do it a little bit more? That might help a little bit, or make it quicker or easier or less strenuous or whatever.

So, but you're, you're right, there is a lot, I mean, I, and, and I've started so many businesses and done, done a lot, and marriages and children and, and, and there's, there's a, there's a ton out there or physical there. Physical challenges. So, no, I look forward to being back on. Sounds great. Right. So, Mr.

Central, thank you so much for your time today. Like I said, I'll have you back on to cover a variety of different topics, but I appreciate what we've talked about today. It was this is unscripted show. We came on and we had a conversation ended up Yes, sir. Talking about some things that definitely weren't planned, but the important part is the, adapting and cultivating life lessons regardless of where the conversation goes and, so I hope it was insightful to people.

And I, I encourage everyone to check out your book and, take a deeper dive into you. And I know we'll have your website as well where they can reach out to you about anything you talked about today, or anything you mentioned that they wanna go deeper into detail with. So thank you again for your time today.

You're welcome. And by the, you mentioned a website and it should be up here within about a week. It's called Never quit trying.com. And then I've got an email there, Jay, at never quit trying.com. But the book will be there too. But yeah, Amazon and those places are better I think. But thank you sir, I appreciate it.

And you're well spoken and you got good questions, good insight and appreciate it very much. Thank you.