Artificial Insemination Industry EXPOSED: Fertility Fraud, Unethical Practices, And More!

Have we all been blindly allowing fertility fraud, a lack of boundaries, and the complex intersection of science, morality, and personal identity run rampid?

Peter J. Boni was created by an anonymous sperm donation, but it wasn't until his late forties that he found this out, which left many questions. This revelation sparked a deep quest to uncover his genetic heritage, bringing to light emotional trauma, family secrets, and pressing ethical issues surrounding the donor conception industry.

The conversation highlights the psychological impacts of discovering one's origins later in life, including identity crises, unresolved grief, and relationship challenges. Mr. Boni vividly describes how uncovering his donor-conceived status rekindled past traumas, including the loss of his adoptive father and his experiences with PTSD following his Vietnam service. This profound personal account underscores the critical need for transparency and early disclosure to donor-conceived children.

Mr. Boni also urgently calls us to action regarding the lack of regulation in the donor conception industry, from background checks to health history. He details shocking cases of fertility fraud and unethical practices, emphasizing the necessity of implementing the Donor Conceived Bill of Rights. Advocating for transparency, genetic testing, sibling registries, and mandated counseling, he urges us all to recognize the ethical responsibilities surrounding assisted reproductive technologies. His book, "Uprooted: Family Trauma, Unknown Origins, and the Secretive History of Artificial Insemination," further amplifies this critical message, offering both a personal narrative and an investigative exposé on the largely self-policed industry.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of a couple of nukes as always. I'm your host. Mr. Whiskey and One of my favorite books of all time is Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the original one. You know, there's been so many remakes of it over time. But one of the big questions of that book is, What are the boundaries of morality and science?

You know, and that's a concept that has been explored in several fictional works, both movies, books, TV shows. And it's a great question. Do we restrain scientific discovery for the sake of morality, or do we give up morality, and is that giving up our humanity, in order to pursue and achieve scientific results? 

Today's episode is going to get into that topic in one degree with a modern example of that. A modern example that most people overlook, or unaware about, and that is being misconstrued in ways that You can't even fathom. So we are here with someone who has actually dove into that industry, has lived the results of it, and is going to be talking about that stuff with us here today.

Peter Javani, so great to have you here. Could you please introduce yourself for us?  Hi, thanks for the introduction. I appreciate the opportunity to be on your podcast. I'm Peter, Peter Bonnie, Peter J. Bonnie. I always considered myself a  product of 3 experiences. 1 was a  only child and a. Italian family, uh, growing up with a sick dad, uh, who, uh, took his own life when I was 16 years old.

So that was impactful, uh, for me. The, uh,  college education I got, uh, opened doors of opportunity for me that I never expected in my whole life. And the experiences as a special operation, special operations team leader in Vietnam, uh, created some, uh,  collaborative leadership style for me. I always took my DNA for granted.

Uh, but I learned at age 49 that, uh, my dad, uh, wasn't biological. He was sterile. And I was a product of a artificial insemination with a,  uh, anonymous sperm donor in the weaned days of, uh, World War II in 1945. So that was a little bit of a shock to the system.  For sure. You know, I didn't even know they were doing it that far back in time.

And so before we continue forward the episode, I'd like to know where you stand on all of this. Are you for it with more restriction or are you completely against the idea?  Well, you know, I'm all for science to enable wanting people to have a family, uh, just with some consideration for the very people created by the science, people like me, uh, AKA the world.

All right. Right. I've never been called a Frankenstein before. Thanks for that.  Yeah, that was, was not my intention, but you know, it's along that same lines of, you know, creating life, you know, humans should be allowed to do that. And we won't get into the whole religious root of that. Cause that's a whole conversation separate from, from this.

This is just. You know, humanity itself and you talk about  so. You talk about an anonymous donor. Do you believe that donations should not be anonymous at all? That way, like, do you think that if someone donates, they should sign paperwork that says, I give my full consent that whoever is made with my donation can reach out to me at a certain point in time? 

Well, let's, let's answer that in two different ways. Uh, first of all, uh,  today's science, DNA over the internet.  Consumer DNA testing has taken the whole concept of anonymity and thrown it out the obsolescency. So there's no such thing as anonymity anymore.  But if you listen to all of the social science researchers, and there are a plethora of them over the last 20 years or so, they all say the same thing.

And that is, in the best interest of the person, the child, they should know right up front,  right in the very beginning of their life. Uh, let that be part of their woodwork, uh, their origin.  So you believe that all parents who artificially create their child should let them know at,  at what age would you say, you know, and, and that all parents should tell them like, Hey, by the way, you were made from a donation.

And if you want to know about your real biological parents, you know, we'll give you that information. Once again, all the social science research, uh, uh, agrees that it should be immediate, uh, just part of the talking points of a child. And as a child become, uh, more mature, uh, then more of those questions can be answered. 

Yeah, you've referenced some social science studies. So  what, what kind of was the baseline for that? Just like, in terms of psychological development, it was far healthier. or for more effective to raise a child with that knowledge up front rather than the traumatic shock Absolutely far healthier. Uh, no trauma involved in it.

I mean, I was 49 years old when I learned  and yeah,  I'm still the same person, but everything inside of me changed.  Right. Can you tell us more about that? That shock? Because it's like, um, you know, it's kind of like a piece of your identity has just been taken and twisted around. I mean, where you questioning everything else in your life about You know, what else about your family life had been a lie and all that. 

Uh, what I learned is that new trauma, this identity trauma, uh, rekindles old traumas thought long past. Mm-hmm. So, uh, what I, when I experienced this identity trauma, uh, I rekindled the death of my dad that I had never properly grieved, uh, for his death to begin with. Old school Italian family. Keep it quiet.

Don't let anyone go. Right. Um, I felt flawed.  Uh, and, uh,  vowed to myself as a kid that I would be, uh, strong and resourceful and independent and, uh, successful, and not let this ever bother me. Well, it did bother me, but I just didn't properly deal with it.  And it impacted my marriage as well, because there was a,  a, uh, a veil of, uh,  secrecy.

That I kept around that  and, uh,  my wife felt that, uh, some intimacy, she was robbed of some intimacy with me because I couldn't really express my feelings about the death of my dad.  Uh, so that was, uh, uh, number 1, uh, number 2 was the whole trauma of, uh, service in Vietnam. When I returned home, uh, attacked by my local citizens, uh, while wearing my full uniform, I learned early on that, uh, nobody wanted to know and I wasn't going to tell them. 

Uh, so there was a whole trauma of, uh,  today it's called PTSD, post traumatic stress syndrome. Uh, back then they didn't call it anything, just get over it, you know, in your home. Yeah.  I had all my arms and my legs, my head was unreasonably straight,  uh, but I had some seething anger about that whole experience and, uh, that was difficult to deal with as well but I just  swept it aside.

So this third thing, the identity trauma, uh, I didn't know, uh,  if I had siblings, I was raised as an only child, I didn't understand my medical history.  I thought it was one thing and it was another. I didn't know what my genealogy was. So all that was really important to me.  So my, uh, my family and my friendship circle encouraged me to go get some therapy on this.

Well, you know, I signed up to the old school. Thinking on therapy. If you're needy,  maybe you need some therapy, but we can needy people are unfit for command. I saw that in the boardroom and I saw that in the boardroom. I was a CEO for the high technology industry at that time,  but I knew I needed some help.

So I very quietly sought some therapy and it took me a while to find the right kind of a therapist that dealt with.  Uh,  trauma  and when I found the right guy, he said, son, you hit a trifecta here because old trauma rekindles the new trauma thought long past in order to get you past anything. We have to deal with all of them.

So go back to your childhood. Go back to your experiences in combat.  And then let's deal with this identity thing going on.  So that was the toughest, uh, uh, toughest turnaround in my life.  Yeah. So you mentioned, you know, wondering about siblings and as a man who's done a lot of research into this, what did you find in your journey to discover more about your DNA and genetics? 

Well, you know, when I learned in 1995, uh, DNA was 12 years away from being invented.  Uh, it was first brought up by 23 and May in 2008,  and it was time Magazine's, innovation of the year in 2008.  Uh,  in 2008 I signed up to, uh, 23 and May.  One of their early customers, one of the lunatic fringe, they call it in high technology  and I found that I wasn't northern Italian.

I was English, French and a sliver of Scandinavian. Well, I could have dealt with that, but I was trying to find a paternal relative and I couldn't find any. And I was fairly new to the database. So I thought, let's let the customer base grow and then eventually.  Nine years later, there still is no paternal relative there. 

Uh, but I learned that, uh, ancestry. com had come to the fold in 2012 and over a five year period of time had actually increased the customer set larger than 23 and me,  and they were doing a black Friday specials for 49.  So I signed up to, uh, ancestry. com and it was through that mechanism, some 22 years after I had learned that I was donor conceived, that I found my paternal seed  and, uh, found, uh, a, uh, a sibling.

Now I have a couple of siblings that I know of, uh, that I know personally and others that I know of that, uh, don't have any interest in,  in this. So for your siblings. Did they all know they were made artificially? And if not Did you discuss that with them?  Uh, one was actually the, uh,  daughter of the donor, the natural daughter of the donor, who had no idea that her father was a, uh, sperm donor. 

And the other one was, uh, my age, five months younger than myself, who, uh, learned that she was donor conceived at her age of 75.  Wow.  Now, I'm not the product of the frozen sperm generation and, uh, we had a, uh, my parents used an ethical practitioner who wasn't using his own sperm on countless patients.

That happens today.  It's discovered today. So it's not likely that I'm going to have 100 siblings like many people do. Okay.  My question is really one that will never be answered. How many siblings do I have, really? I'll just never know. Did I ever date, did I ever date a sibling? Or worse, I just never know.

Right, right. And that's such a,  such an interesting concept, you know. And let's get into, you talked about ethics right there, you mentioned that, and you talked about some unethical practices. So, what I know is,  You've really have like dove into the world of this artificial insemination. And so tell us a bit about how that all played a role into the books that you've written. 

Sure. Uh, well, when I learned I was donor conceived and there was no records kept and there was no DNA, uh, I did some research, uh, using some clues a mother gave me, uh, that turned out to be black holes. Uh,  so as a, my only recourse, I seem to me. Was to learn about the entire industry that was  enabled my creation  doing a research study almost like a PhD student of the sociological scientific and legal history and the evolution of assisted reproductive technology actually from biblical references right through to today. 

And as I got into this, I, I, I found that, you know, we have a regulatory oversight for a variety of industries, the SDC, the FDA, the ITC,  and so on down the line all are providing some regulatory oversight to industries for the public good, because industries don't tend to police themselves all that well. 

Right? We know about that. Here we have an industry that is self policed, uh, that's, uh, creating human life,  uh,  with no genetic testing required,  uh, with no health care history, uh, required,  with no legal consequences for blatant fertility fraud, uh, with no  requirement for a sibling registry,  people know of one another, with no cap, really, to the number of siblings Uh, the number of offspring per donor and people have over 100. 

Uh, can you imagine having over 100 siblings that you don't know?  I barely like the two that I have already.  You know, no, no counseling requirement for either a donor or a recipient.  The needs of the donor conceived child. So when I, like I said, when I  began learning about the practices of. The industry, which is now a multi-billion dollar industry, growing exponentially. 

I had a friend that was breeding rottweilers at the time, and he said, you know,  there's more regulatory oversight than breeding puppies. And I find that's true for the canine, uh, uh, bovine equine and so on down the line. There's a lot of regulatory oversight. 

Yeah, no, that's, uh,  do you think that, that the breeding of animals is treated with more.  regulation than the breeding of humans. And  let me ask you this, because I've never been involved with, you know, donating or artificial creation.  There is the paperwork done where there's no legal ties. So let's say I donated, and then further down the line, there's an offering made with my seed.

Can they just show up in my life and ask for money or anything legally, or that is at least taken care of?  Well, that is at least taken care of. And that's the good news for any donor. There's no legal requirement.  Uh, to an offspring.  Okay, because I was just thinking, you mentioned, let's say, for example, 100 siblings.

What if I had 100 kids just show up, all half my genetics, and say, uh, we need child support. You know, I definitely don't want to be wrapped up in that. So, I was wondering how that works. You weren't, you weren't conceived through, uh, the backseat of a car.  Right,  right. So,  as far as, um,  so would you,  what would you like to see change?

Like, I know your book is like, One of those ways that you're trying to make an impact into the industry. But what really needs to happen? Ultimately, do we need a Congress member to kind of like step up and say something about this? Does it need to be at the level of presidency? Is there a lower level that we can handle this kind of situation? 

What I, what I advocate for is the donor conceived Bill of Rights,  which  eliminates  an anonymity and requires open donation. Number one, that requires genetic testing and health history release  that requires  a limit to the number of offspring per donor that requires a sibling registry that requires some, uh, uh,  mandated counseling for donors and recipients regarding the needs of a donor conceived child and requires some legal consequences for blatant fertility fraud. 

Now that's being advocated for at both the federal and the state level.  There are  now 13 states that have legislation for fertility fraud  penalties.  The state of Colorado is the first one to have enacted this donor conceived bill of rights. It's being considered in several other states,  but I think it'll take a Congress person that realizes that they are donor conceived to be a champion inside of. 

Yeah.  In order to get this through, uh, the dysfunctional U. S. Congress.  Yeah, I get what you're saying. You need someone who actually has a heart and a foot in that battle. And so when you talk about fertility fraud, for those of us who aren't, you know, familiar or involved with artificial insemination, what, what is fertility fraud? 

Well, at the highest level, it could be a doctor that used his own sperm,  as opposed to an anonymous donation from a third party to disseminate his patient. And he, he did this several, several times, maybe a hundred times, right?  So that's one example of fertility fraud. Another one is a, uh, an individual that goes to a, uh, sperm bank to sell his sperm. 

He claims that he's a PhD and speaks six languages and really he's a schizophrenic and, and a convicted felon. Mm. Real live examples.  So people that lie about their background, uh, at a, uh, at a sperm bank for instance,  do they not do background checks or like, 'cause I'm not familiar with that at all. You don't have to.

Like, they don't genetically test you first or do a health and wellness check or anything. There's no legal requirement for them to do so.  Wow. They do it as up to them, but there's no legal requirement for that.  That is truly, truly insane because then you could be putting bad genetics out there. You could be putting extra aggressive genetics or health issues out there.

So this really is a shock to me that it's not regulated on a legal level. It gets worse. Can you imagine finding, uh, what kind of quality control you find when you get a donor through something like Craigslist? Social media. Uh, there are social media  sites now that are bypassing anything that a, that a bank might do. 

Hmm.  Wow. I can't, I can't believe that. You know, I, I've never really looked into it, but I would have expected, I'm sure most of us, I think this is one of the issues is that most people just assume that they're doing, because unless we don't donate ourselves, we just assume they're doing background checks.

They're doing medical background checks and all this and that. And here you are. Telling us that they're not there's no legal requirement for them to do. So right. One may do it. The other one may not, but there's no legal requirement for anybody to do. So, uh, for, uh, organ donation, uh, there's a regulatory oversight for blood donation.

There's regulatory oversight. How about gametes the seeds of human life? There are, there are no  regulatory.  Agencies looking at this. Wow,  that I can't believe that. And so tell us more about your, your book. I know you wrote a whole book kind of exposing the industry. If you could share the name of that with us and kind of why you wrote it where my book uprooted family trauma, unknown origins, and the secrets of history of artificial insemination  can be found in my website, www.

peterjbonnybuni. com. I got the book idea for the book upon doing this research on the industry and its practices and speaking to my friend who told me about, uh, puppies, breeding puppies. And I thought, boy, this could be a, a thought provoking book, but in order to write it, I had to finish my own story. It  wasn't until 2017 through ancestry.

com that I was able to finish my story, understand my, my genetic origins, my health history, and, uh,  actually meet some siblings.  Uh, so on that note, I, uh, decided. To write this book as both a very deeply intimate memoir  as well as a tell all expose  about the practices of a multi billion dollar and growing, uh, industry that's under, under regulated. 

And I had three goals, like I, like I mentioned, goal number one to, uh,  impact the, uh, legislative agenda towards the donor conceived bill of rights to influence industry practices,  uh, positively.  And then to speak to the needs and emotional wellbeing of many people that are misattributed. What I learned in my research, uh,  is that some 4 percent of the population it's in the Western hemisphere.

It's, uh,  uh, predicted to be that people are misattributed their DNA and their birth certificate just don't line up. Wow. No 4 percent would be in my high school graduating class, which was a 100 kids. Four of us would be misattributable. I know I'm one of them.  I had two of them come to me to say, Pete, we're not figuring out our DNA from our ancestry or 23andMe results.

You seem to have some expertise in this. Can you help us out? And I  walked them through the fact that they were misattributed for specific reasons. And then we know of a fourth. So in my high school graduating class of 100, there's already  kind of corroborates that Pew Research has taken a look at this as well.

And they've corroborated that they believe  about 5 percent of the  current 50 million customer base of DNA.  Customers have learned that their DNA and their birth certificate just don't line up from  a parent standpoint. It's called NPE and you have a non parental, uh,  relationship,  non parental expectation. 

Oh, it's, it's bigger than that. When you consider you have how many parents, how many parents do you have?  Most people have two, right? Grandparents, biologically, you have.  Or And then great grandparents.  Yeah, it grows and grows, yeah.  In proportion. So if I did this, uh, Geometrics  and used that 4 percent number, my entire high school graduating class of 100  is misattributed to somebody in their family tree between a third to sixth great grandparent. 

Think about that. So all those stories about family lore, uh, the Mayflower or or what have you, right? What was in chance that it's not  something, something was a skew.  That's, that's definitely interesting theory to, you know, think about. And, um, like you said, being proven every day, there's more and more people doing these DNA tests and figuring out.

So. Who knows, that number may continue to grow, uh, over the next few years. Well, I have to ask you that, I'm sure everyone listening is also curious, is, Mr. Bonnie, are you, yourself, a donor?  No, I'm not.  Has, has the thought ever crossed your mind, or because of all your research, you're like, I'm never doing this. 

I never fathomed in a million years that I would have done that. I didn't even know about donor conception, uh, until  I started researching this myself. Uh, in college, uh, I never knew of, uh, uh, donor conception.  Uh,  I was never asked in college about being a donor, uh, so I, it was just totally out to lunch for me.

I was, I was a poor kid college student, so the chance of making another 100 bucks, uh, I might have considered it,  uh, but I never was given that opportunity.  Oh, yeah, I was just interested, uh, because being a 20 year old kid is not going to think about the ramifications, uh, on another  human being.  Yeah, for sure. 

No, I, you know, talking with you today, I was thinking about, I've never thought about it. I'm like, would I want to do that? And, uh, with what you've said about the industry right now, I've got mixed opinions. So we'll see. Like you said, it's, uh, the Providing that opportunity for people who can't have children to have it is a beautiful thing.

And I do want to go back to, you mentioned your research took you back to Biblical references. Were you saying Biblical references about artificial insemination or that concept? Can you kind of go into that information for us?  References of NPE, you know, you're non non parental. You have a, you have a, uh, a, uh, genetic surprise. 

Mm.  Moses was an NPE. He had a genetic surprise. He was closed, adopted. He never knew that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.  That's actually, that's a great example. Yeah. Pure research, uh, has, uh,  discovered that almost one in five of the,  uh, 50 million people in the database. Their prediction is have had some sort of a genetic surprise, if not from their parents, that's 4%, 5%,  then certainly within their family tree, they have found a sibling they didn't know, a relative that they didn't know, or a, uh,  a  grandparent that they didn't know, and so on. 

Yeah, I've never done, um, genetic testing, and I'm not really interested in it at all, but I do know that my mom's father was adopted. And so, where his family tree traces back biologically and genetically, Um, we've never known. Now with all the DNA testing stuff, who knows, maybe he could figure it out. But, he's also in his late 70s and doesn't care, you know, about that.

You know, he was, he spent his whole life being raised by who he was raised by, those are his parents. So, I get that. And me personally, I've never been curious, but I know there's a lot of people out there with the genetic testing trying to find out the truth. And, uh, I, today's conversation has definitely piqued my curiosity as far as, is everything in my family tree.

Uh, align with what I've always been told. It's definitely, um, an interesting idea that I think a lot of people have. And so, will you be writing any more books in regard to artificial insemination or family trees at all?  Well, we'll see. Uh, we'll see about that. Right now, my book is just, uh, my, this is my second book.

It's a few years old. And I'm busy using that as a vehicle to advocate for the donor conceived Bill of Rights.  Right, and so  you know,  you mentioned something that genealogy will be ultimate is a term that I learned in psychology class.  60s, a pair of psychologists coined the term when they were studying some difficulty in  relationships that adoptees had, I  mean, yeah, it was something raging inside of them.

And I wasn't adopted. I was semi adopted in this thing called donor conception. And that Feeling of a genealogical bewilderment just raged inside of me and put high octane fuel on my need to research my background. What were my genetics? What was my health history? Did I have any siblings? I was just enraged to find that.

It just burned a hole in me until I,  until I finally got my answers.  Yeah, and, and that's kind of what I was thinking about with  You know, when you talk about telling children up front, if they were created artificially, you know, I did wonder how that, that would impact their relationship with their, you know, current family, if they would bond with them as closely as if they had not known, you know, and would they have that, that curiosity always thinking about what if they were with whoever, you know, had donated them, how that affected the child growing up.

Let me give you an example, my personal example. When I learned my Heritage and I wasn't northern Italian. I didn't know what it was. I wanted to, uh, I said to myself, no more secrets. All right, this is just, I'm not going to sign into this. Right. My Italian cousins aside,  and I let my Italian cousins know that we're not biological. 

And they coined me the logical Italian, and I was now that a logical cousin, because I wasn't biological.  So that said,  Family, you know, we have that.  We had common, uh, foods, common, uh, traditions, uh, common values, uh, we had common enemies like the adults when we misbehaved as kids. Right.  And I found that my, uh,  my coming to them and letting them know my parents secret created a bond of intimacy that, uh, we never had before. 

And if anything, we, we are closer now as logical.  And we were as biological cousins, so it recreated reestablished for me a parameter of family,  a family isn't just biological.  Yeah, no, I, I understand that. And, um, you know, as we close off here, you mentioned your website in your book earlier. I mean, who should read it?

I know for one thing, it's to spread awareness and advocacy, but I mean, would you say it's just an interesting and curious read in general for people who are interested in a variety of different topics?  Uh, well, uh, you've got, uh,  if, uh, if 25 percent of the, uh, DNA community, uh, is, uh, misattributed for whatever the reason, uh, not from their parents, but from their great parents or what have you, uh, you've got a lot of, a lot of people there.

Maybe you're one of them, or maybe you know someone, and  being in touch with some of their emotions is an important factor to support them. If you have any kind of an interest in industry reading itself, or the  history, sociological,  legal, and scientific history,  it's interesting reading.  Some of the geneticists.

The, uh,  genetic, uh, institutions, the, uh, heritage foundations,  all been  recent readers of my book as well, gene, genealogical societies  as examples.  Yeah, for sure. I, I definitely think it's interesting, you know, this whole concept of  legal regulation and, and lack thereof in terms of human creation. And, you know, I'll be keeping my eye on the news to see if they put out a Peter J.

Bonnie clause, you know, if they, if they name it after you, that would be pretty cool, uh, you know, if they make a, you know, like the documentations requiring  companies of artificial insemination to have mandatory background checks and all that. Hopefully they name it after you, since you're the one out here doing all the work, that would be pretty awesome to see.

I had a friend that had a bridge named after him, and that was after he died. I'm not interested in having anything named after me. Yeah. I'd rather just live my life and know that I'm making an impact.  For sure, and so ladies and gentlemen, I encourage you all to help Mr. Ronny make an impact by sharing this episode.

Just with anyone, honestly, because it's such a interesting part of our society of the world that we're living in that we just don't know about, you know, I mean, it's happening like you use the word secretive. I mean, it almost is. It's almost like right under our noses, you know, it's happening and we just don't know it because so many people. 

Aren't looking into it unless you're donating. You're not looking into it. And then, of course, when you want to donate and they're like, yeah, come on in, just give us a sample. It's like you're happy because it's so easy. But  this covered  sociology has certainly changed from the waning days of World War Two when I was when I was conceived, right? 

We're open about this issue of infertility. It hasn't  Less of a social stigma.  Fertility has grown, uh, some 50 percent in the last four decades. It has been, uh, uh, studied,  uh, combination of a toxic environment. Yeah. It was waiting longer. So the biological clock is not working to their advantage.  And, uh, medical sciences claim that some 15 percent of couples have fertility issues, uh, for whatever the reason, half of them.

Because of the man, half of them because of the woman, some 20 percent of them, uh, uh, combination  and  IBF as an industry has actually exploded  as a result of that. Yeah. And so as this industry grows, we need to keep an eye on it and help regulate it and make sure that it's regulated so that situations like what happened to you.

Like what happens to, like you mentioned, four or five percent of the population doesn't continue to happen, and so that number doesn't continue to grow, and that hopefully everyone can be born into this world knowing who they are, you know, genetically and biologically and where they come from.