Mastering Communication: Unleashing Your Inner And Outer Voice

Today, both myself and y'all will be testing our listening skills with social communication expert and acclaimed author Mario Wissa with a conversation about the many layers of effective communication.

Mr. Wissa shares his personal journey from his early years in Egypt, highlighting how cultural contrasts influenced his fascination with social interactions and led to his passion for improving interpersonal relationships worldwide. He explains how his experiences as an immigrant shaped his understanding of cultural communication differences, and how those differences laid the groundwork for his life’s mission.

This leads us into breaking down the many forms and interpretations of communication, both for groups and our personal selves, and even pregnancy and child development. This includes discussing intrapersonal communication, emphasizing the crucial role of self-dialogue and internal awareness in personal growth. Mr. Wissa explains how cultivating a strong relationship with oneself is foundational for healthy interactions with others, illustrating practical steps anyone can take to nurture their inner voice. The discussion also touches on the unique challenges posed by modern technology and how digital communication affects interpersonal connections and self-awareness.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Couple of Nukes. As always, I'm your host, Mr. Whiskey, and today we're going to be talking about communication. We're going to break it down into a lot of different ways, because you know what? A lot of us right now think that we're good at communicating.

We think we're good listeners, that we're engaged listeners, and that when we talk, we convey ourselves well. But communication is much more than that.  Now, more than ever, so many different forms with technology expanding. And we are here with a guest who is a social communication expert. And so Mario, we said, my big question for you as we get into this is what makes you an expert in social communication compared to everyone who's listening right now?

I want to establish your authority of how do you become a social communication expert?  Um,  Well, first off, um, I understand how heavy it sounds, uh, the title as a social communication expert. Uh, basically as I'm doing what I'm doing and continue my research and publishing and sharing my knowledge and experiences,  I became more of an attraction for people to actually come to me to ask for my input about a situation or an issue or there's some issue with a, um, conflict in a relationship. 

Either I get a phone call from them, um, or they come and see me in person and we talk about it and started with the closest people to me, family, friends. Uh, I'm really aware that I don't impose my opinion in anyone. I only share when I'm being asked. Um, I'm very mindful of what I'm sharing and how I share it.

And honestly, That's the label that people put on me. You were like, wow, you're so good at this. You are such an expert in this. I'm like, okay. One person says it  250. Then you go like, you know what? I have something to offer and people can take advantage of this and they can actually use it to grow. It's an honor for me.

To be in this position. Uh, it, it all started with self, um, intra personal communication, how we converse with ourselves. Um, when I studied that over 17 years ago, that was a huge eye opening, um, experience for me. This is the bedrock  foundation  for any healthy communication and for our relationships, um, between us and other people, but also.

With ourselves.  So I took upon this mission, if you would like to call it, and I decided this is this is my it. This is what I'm going to do for the rest of my life.  And the wonderful thing about studying communication is  maybe my title would say that I'm seasoned experienced social communication expert. 

Yet, I don't consider myself like, Oh, I'm expert, I got it, I have figured this out. No, no, actually, the more I learn, I realized that the less I know. Transcribed Uh, it's infant path and we all can help each other. I have many people in my life help me as well. It's not just everyone comes to me. I have some people that I go to as well.

So we all interacting and growing with each other. And I love that experience.  Yeah, I know I like the way Kevin Palmieri said it on my show when he guessed it He said when people are coming to you about a topic or something you do and they're asking you questions that you're like This is just common sense.

He goes that's when you've become an expert, you know, because a lot of  Common sense to us but you know to people who haven't been doing what we're doing However long it may be, you know, it's not common sense. And so when everything seems like it's common sense He said that's when You become an expert.

People are coming up to you and asking for your help. And you're like, how do you not know this? So that's kind of what happened with you and communication. So let's go back first with a little bit of origin story. I know from talking to you beforehand that it starts in Egypt. So can you tell us about that and what significance that has had in your whole journey?

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So the first 17 years of my life, uh, my prime years was, uh,  uh, I was raised in Egypt.  And I came to the U. S. basically to study English 25 years ago. Uh, now,  25 years later, I published three books, working on the fourth one, and touring and sharing, uh, my experiences.  Growing up in a different culture, such as Egyptian culture, Middle Eastern culture,  between the language and the dynamics of how people operate amongst themselves and each other, Um, I do remember when I first came to the U.

S. there were so many,  I guess at the time you can call it a shocking day, a social dynamics that I was not familiar with. So  there is, I mean, we all know we hear Middle East, we're thinking about conflict, conflict in the Middle East. Honestly, I mean, everywhere there's some kind of conflict. Uh, but how they handle conflicts overall, um, in Egypt, obviously that was a while ago,  made me growing up  feeling and knowing and believing there is a better way to handle these issues.

There must be a better way from really young age. I always look my, you know, my family, my friends, and I see what's happening. And  there's always this inner voice. There must be a better way. There must be a different skill because. I see on TV that people deal with this situation a different way, but in real life, I see that some skills are, are not discovered, are not practiced.

I don't even know what I was thinking at the time. All I know there was something missing. And after coming to the US and seeing the social dynamics, how, uh, people can be a little bit more nicer, more open. A little bit more, just a tiny bit more vulnerable, there's more vulnerability here in the U. S. Um, than in the Middle East.

So, this distinction,  I'm tempted to say comparison, it's not necessarily comparison because it is what it is. It's just the difference between the two. that I paid attention to that I feel like it's really vital. In fact, all the knowledge and experience that I've gained, um, in the U S traveling Asia also for so many years, I am traveling this year to Egypt for about four months, uh, doing public speaking events, um, and hosting book signing events like that.

I want to share with people the knowledge because it can make a big difference to be aware of our intra personal communication, inter personal communication, how we connect with other people as well. Not to mention group communication, that's a different topic. But yes,  yes.  So let's backtrack one step to you talk about leaving Egypt to go learn English in the United States. 

What was the motivation for that? I know you've talked a little bit about wanting to learn and always learning, but. Why did you want to go learn English, you know, over 25 years ago? Yeah, so, um, my surroundings totally influenced me from a really young age. So I am the youngest of four siblings. And the age gap between me and my next sibling is actually eight years.

And the other three siblings, there's one year between each of them. You know, it's really like when I was born, one of them was like, Hey, the other one is nine. They went 10. So they're kind of like grew up already. I'm like,  sometimes I feel like I was adopted in this family. I didn't know if I belong. Um, so from a really young age, um, two of my siblings  started, started, um,  they were going to American university in Cairo. 

They were playing. American and English movies on TV.  Uh, I see some books laying around with headlines like English 101 or TOEFL or welcome to English introduction. And  the environment around me made me feel like it.  The plant, the environment planted the seeds and the experiences of my siblings studying English and come home and they say they use English words like group this and that group this and that all these words were  being programmed in my own head and I was attracted to that.

I was so attracted to it in a such a way that I sometimes used English words in Egypt when I was like. 14, 15, and they used to come out by mistake. And I do remember specific scenarios and situations, and my friends used to make fun of me because I was speaking English once, once in a while, or a word comes out once in a while. 

Well, 25, 25 years later, who's laughing now?  So, um, I think within us, all of us, especially from really young age, there is some kind of guidance or whisper.  That is happening in the background. It's so subtle. We need to pay attention to that. I think that guided me a lot, frankly. Yeah.  For sure. So let's start there actually with the, I know you work on multiple types of communication and we've got our external with other people and then we've got our internal and that communication has several layers to it because we have our ego in there.

We've got our heart in there. We've got our brain in there. We've got a lot of different, you know, factors within ourselves, all with different opinions and contradicting, you know, facts for us. So tell us about that inner journey where we can start because, you know, Okay.  How we interact with others, we have control over to some degree, but the only one that we have full control over is how we talk to ourselves.

So let's dive into that and how you kind of discovered that for yourself as well.  Um, as I'm listening to you, I'm kind of smiling because you, you, you made the comment that we have full control over our, like, inner voice.  I wish it was true. Sometimes we don't. Um, first off, let's be clear to use the word internal voice mindfully and deliberately.

There is no internal voice. If you hear voices. It's something's off. Something is not right. What is really, really happening is basically neurons are firing in our brain and electricity and sending information.  That's exactly what's going on. So even though I say in my first book, the most powerful voice you will ever hear is your own, I am aware how I'm using the word voice.

Basically our internal processes  are crucial. And that's what everything else is being built on  to be aware of our inner voice  for me. It came through, uh, obviously studying and doing research, but I became more profound, uh, profoundly aware of it by spending quality time with myself.  Um, like as I'm developing this voice more and more quote voice, um,  my circle of friends has shrunk. 

Um, I am not as active socially as I was before.  This evolution happened over time and over the years, basically, the more we get closer to ourselves, like imagine, I'm sure you can think, uh, Mr. Whiskey, you can think of a friend or two of yours where you can spend all day with them, maybe, I don't know, hiking, cooking, eating, something you enjoy quality time and after three, four hours, you go like, wow, dude, we got to go home, time flew by.

Imagine if you have this kind of relationship with yourself.  You just spent three, four, six hours with yourself, just doing whatever you want to do. And you just genuinely enjoying it.  That is really, really powerful. And that's where creativity starts. That's where true vulnerability flourishes. Because the more we listen, like if I have some issue or story that I want to share with you.

You would not know what's going on with me until I share with you and to communicate with you  the same thing with ourselves to know what's going on with us, what's making us happy or unhappy or decisions that we made or some regret that's coming up.  Part of us wants to.  Process this, like going to a psychologist, sociologist, psychologist, doctor, you talk to him or her and they help you process the information.

We eventually become our own therapist when we listen to ourselves. And I'm not saying talking loud all the time, but just to be aware of that. Internal  processes that's happening. Oh, I did this, she replied that way. Hmm, I forgot to do this. I think I'm feeling guilty because I missed this appointment. I think I can do better next time.

This internal dialogue, it's, it's beautiful when we become aware of it and cultivated intentionally because part of my research, I discovered that not everyone is actually aware of that inner voice, internal process.  So harnessing that by building and spending quality time with self.  Um, for some people it could be, uh, writing down their thoughts.

Some people might be actually literally looking in the mirror and converse like, Hey, how are you feeling right now? What's going on? Sometimes I do this with myself and when I'm not, when I'm feeling like not that great, sometimes I look in the mirror and just like cry, like spend time with myself and cry.

That sounds very emotional, but it's a healthy process. It doesn't have to be like, why or what can we do about it? It's just like, yeah, spending quality time with someone that where you are allowed to be yourself. How beautiful is that?  Right. So you talk about spending time with yourself to become more aware of yourself into.

Understand yourself better. Like you said, I think it's interesting because so many people can't stand being alone for extended periods of time. They, they seek and crave, you know, that social interaction. And, uh, sometimes it's because we don't like ourselves at all. You know, we don't like what we're hearing in our head.

Yes. Or we don't want to process that. So, I totally understand that now. So that's the, you know, internal, the inner voice as you call it. Let's get into some group communication, uh, whether, so when you talk about group communication, what kind of social settings are you referring to? Is that just any and all?

One to two more people, or is this different types of scenarios?  So, the three primary types of communication, intrapersonal, which we talked about, intrapersonal, like what you and I are having right now, if we have a third person with us right now,  Automatically, that's a group communication, so anything above three is group.

Now, how can you call communication between 100 people or 500? It's still 100 or 500 people still group, but it become organizational communication.  It becomes a hierarchy. There's a different hierarchy to it because the responsibility is spread out. Um,  so group communication, usually number three. Or more so every family,  mom and dad, and one kid that's a group communication right there and that changes the dynamics from interpersonal, which is one on one, one person sending information.

The other person is receiving and processing to three. It pretty much multiplies the complications because one person is delivering knowledge. Just the number three. Just three. One person delivering two different characters  a message and every person will hear a word and a sentence and interpret it differently.

And these people need to process and give feedback based on what they listen to. And instead of doing this with one, imagine doing it with more than three, 30, 50. So it takes a lot of time. Energy and delegation and intentionality to be clear when we're communicating with more than three people. I mean, it is challenging as it is already with two people.

Imagine more than that. So,  you know, I don't know if you had this because I know you grew up in Egypt, but in the States we would play this game called telephone where you would have people sitting around the table. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, that's perfect example. Yep. Perfect example. That's an example where, for those of you listening and watching who aren't familiar, you'll have like people sitting around in their room, in whatever manner, and one person will have a message, and then they'll whisper it to another person, and then that person will whisper it to someone, and along the way the message can get, depending on how well everyone's communication is, extremely diluted.

You know, sometimes you have a completely opposite or different message than what you started with, and other times you're kind of there, and you know, because the game  You're not sure what the first person said sometimes they'll get a message and you'll be like that doesn't make any sense So you try to change a word to make it make sense or you pass it on  Thinking well, that's weird.

But yes, it is what it is. So I remember I haven't played that a long time. Obviously typically it's I guess, you know, it's used for teaching children communication, which, let's get into that. The importance of, your example, in fact, was group communication starts with two parents and a child. So,  can we talk a little bit about the importance, maybe some advice, to say one way of how to teach children communication?

You know, especially now when they're growing up in an age of technology and, and, and, Less physical social circles, how important it is to teach them communication.  Absolutely not. I do not want to talk about this topic. I'm just kidding. Anything really. I like, I want to make a joke and say I have enough family trauma.

I'm not sure if I want to talk about it, but  obviously I'm kidding here. Um.  A couple of minutes ago when I talked about the importance of  spending, uh, quality time with self and cultivating this relationship with self slowly over time, it's not like I'm going to spend all day with myself today and tomorrow I'm going to be my best friend.

It doesn't work that way. It does take time. Even your best, your best friend cannot. Take us for a whole day. They need a break from us. Okay. Yeah, imagine that with ourselves.  The reason why I bring this up  I have been previously married. I'm no longer married. I have no kids One of the reasons why I don't have kids because I'm aware of the responsibility It is indeed a full time job.

That's saying that we have in the U. S. it takes a village to raise a kid. It is true.  It's a lot of work.  Um,  so, as I was talking about cultivating relationship with self and spending time with self,  actually kids thrive on that.  You'll be surprised. You might have heard this. Some of our listeners might have heard it too, that the first two years of a child's life is the most important two years in their lives.

That's when they're walking, talking, just making noises. Gaga,  dada, mama, just simple thing. These are the formative years.  According to Joseph Murphy, his book, The Power of Subconscious Mind, and so many other doctors, the first two years can determine the  90 percent of our life.  And those first two years, uh, what kids, uh, crave the most is really companionship.

To be held, to be felt, to just, to be taken care of, for parents not to be super busy. And, um, I had somewhat busy parents. Working a lot. So that Lee, I don't want to say leaves a mark. It does impact childhood and upbringing. If we go past this two years, basically for between two and five, those five years, we are unpacking what they have noticed and observed and captured in the first two years, they try things out, the experiment, this is danger.

This is not danger, you know? So. The first seven years, again, it determines most of our future. So the first two years are really crucial, five years after that, also important.  And after seven to nine years old, it becomes more of a teenage years. Hence, most parents, uh, struggle with that.  When it comes to group communication, actually, it does not start in group communication when it comes to family and kids.

It starts with interpersonal first. The first connection is the mother and the child. That's where it starts. In fact, I read this study the other day. Um, it said that, um, Let  me see if I can remember this right. How emotionally healthy a child is in the future is not necessarily based on income. It's not based on the relationship between mom and dad.

It's not necessarily based on education. It is actually based on the mother's happiness.  Simply put. For a mother to feel happy.  During pregnancy and delivery and raising the child for the next, who's going to be happy for seven years, who's going to be happy for seven minutes, but, you know, being happy like long enough that  the child feels that and takes that with them and they carry this feeling with them from really young age. 

Now. I, I know that I'm bringing it, uh, more, uh, in a simpler way that, um, yes, eventually it becomes group communication, family, uh, communication,  yet we need to be aware that it starts with interpersonal communication. So at the beginning with the mother is able to spend time with her kid.  This actually nurture.

Their internal world that if we all have internal world, my inner world, your inner world, basically the mother is like almost like having a cup and filling the child's inner world by happiness, being together, being vulnerable, being understood, being listened to, even if that child just like cry and just listen to don't have to like fix something right away.

That's really, really powerful.  So to be aware of the visible and invisible language of communication, which is sometimes body language or nonverbal cues, as we call it. So reading nonverbal cues for children is huge. 

I actually, you know, it's interesting. I had read a study a few years ago that talked about how a mother's state of physical health, how that is reflected on the child and vice versa, regardless of the father, you know, if the mother was healthier. In general, the kids were healthier, not based on their dietary habits or their fitness, just based on what they were seeing with their mother.

So, same thing with their happiness. And, you know, that requires communication on the husband and partners and as well to make sure that during the pregnancy, after the pregnancy, that the mother is happy, is feeling like her needs are met, and that the child is, you know, being communicated with properly.  I totally get that.

And in your case as well, not only were your parents busy, but you were also years behind a whole group of siblings. And I know with siblings, there's a lot of dynamics that happen where sometimes one child ends up neglected or some are favored more. So there's, I think communication when it comes to parenting, there also needs to be a balance of communication between the children, uh, because we've seen that affect children well into their life.

You know into their relationships and their work life culture, but I want to pivot now towards your books You know You've got the books that you've mentioned going on tours book signings and they're also guides for us as well To help improve our communication as well as a lot more So I'd love for you to get into your books starting with um now you've got the two And I'm not sure which one did you write first? 

The very first one is about two years ago. It's Empowering Communication Unleashed. I felt like I needed that and everyone else around me can use it as well. Empowering Communication Unleashed. The most powerful voice you will ever hear is your own. If I remember correctly, it's about 13 chapters and each chapter is broken into like seven parts.

I have it, um, Designed in a way where if you start reading in the middle or towards the end, you're not missing much from the beginning. Trying to have this comprehensive point of view on what communication is and the power of  vulnerability and authenticity. 

That was a long introduction for one book.  No, but like, I like it. So you would describe it as a guidebook for communication and Who would you recommend reading? And do you think it's something that people who struggle with communication can benefit, but also just everyone in general can kind of use it as a self reflection point to look at their, the way they talk to themselves and listen to themselves as well as their group and social dynamics. 

So I'm going to mention a few keywords as highlights from this one book  when we think about topics such as authenticity  empathy vulnerability conflict resolution and Self care, there's a whole chapter about self care. If you feel like these topics are not that interesting to you The book is for you.

And if you feel like this topics are not that interesting, if they are interesting to you, the book is for you. Imagine, um,  focusing on self care.  Most of us were told we're raised in a way like you help others and take care of others. And  well, we can't sell from an empty wagon.  We need to have, we need to have cultivated,  um, our self care so we can share with other people.

So if you feel like. I want to make some change in terms of my relationship with myself, or I want to improve my relationship with someone. And I'm not, I don't know what the steps are. Check out my first book, Empowering Communication Unleashed.  Part of you want to make a change, but you don't know what the change is or how to start.

Check out this book. And I actually have offered on my website that if someone is really interested and they can't afford to get the book for some reason, all they have to do, just contact me, send me their address, and I sent him the book. I do this a couple of times a week anyway.  Yeah, and then you've got another book 180 degree you in  180 days, so let's get into that That's a very interesting, you know number there 180 degree you in 180 days So let's get into what went into the formation of that book as well as the title  Well, 180 degree you in 180 days, uh, for personal and professionals, uh, I was actually admitted to the hospital, uh, last year, and I was in the hospital for a couple of months, um,  and during this time, as I'm continuing, I'm doing my research 24 seven.

My eyes are open and I'm around people or I'm alone. Continue my research. Even when I sleep, I dream about my research, so  it came up for me and I start writing and making a blueprint that I think most of us can use a mind shift.  And to make this mind shift, that means we need to be aware there's not only eyesight, there's also a mind sight, how we see with our own mind.

Right.  Now, um, a lot of us may not admit it, that we need some change or we have some room for growth, but imagine seeing things from a different lens, uh, with a different perspective. ever so slowly. Basically, I designed the reading, um, six months, 180 days each day, uh, about two pages of reading, maybe 10, 15 minutes reading.

And at the end, I give you a few questions, a couple of questions, three to five questions to reflect on this one reading for this one day.  So  basically slowly,  Shifting our perspective and perception of what's happening one degree at a time. Um, the book was published, uh, what, about five months ago or so?

And we're getting some feedback, great feedback so far, uh, because it's a easy and simple read. And you don't have to read every single day. If you want to skip a day or two, that's okay. But the, the short reading  per day, once per day is.  profound because it creates this shift ever so slightly, but also gives you points at the end to reflect on to prepare for the following day.

So this is for personal and professional.  Right. So you've got those two books in.  Are you writing another book? If I, if I heard you correctly, you feel like you've got another book in you. So there's a third book that came out already. Sorry. I'm trying to cough here. My apologies.  So the third book that came out also about three months ago is the listener learning by osmosis. 

Universe is the true university. Uh, we're also working on, uh, translating the books that will take some time, but the fourth book that I'm working on right now is actually a small pocket size kind of book, like four by six.  Uh, something that you keep in your pocket and it's 104 seeds. of Thoughts and Wisdom from the East to the West.

I mean, like, Asia,  Africa, all the way to the U. S. and Canada.  Hopefully that will come out soon, yeah.  Right, so you got that fourth book, so I think it's great. You know, writing is a form of communication as well. And, you know, in fact, We talk about on my show how there are many forms of communication. You mentioned nonverbal, specifically like, you know, body cues and all that.

But also I've talked before about how Art is an abstract form of communication, you know, from sculptors to, to painters to, you know, the written word and the communication, I think it's interesting that humans and animals as well can communicate through so many forms, you know, how even birds do certain dances and display their feathers certain ways, you know, communication is so interesting and to, you know, people have such as most people have just a surface level understanding and appreciation of it.

But I feel that you are someone like me who has a deeper level of, you know, just, you crave that knowledge, you crave understanding, and to not only learn all that stuff, but implement it and to study it. And so one thing I want to mention as well, as we wrap up this episode, is also the fact that you work with people one on one, uh, you know, to work on communication.

So I just want to talk about that, how people can book a call with you, and who should really book a call with you. And you know, what kind of coaching do you do with communication?  Um, before I jump into this, uh, you, you made a very interesting comment that I think it's important for me to kind of like touch on really quick.

Um, I'm actually surprised that we did not really talk about this.  What is communication?  Uh, we use it. We've been talking about it for half an hour. What is communication? So.  It's a privilege for  to be a researcher and author because you get to the point where you eventually coin your own terms based on your depth of understanding and experiences of a specific field or term.

So, for me, I see communication is here. Here's my own coin definition. Communication is a non stop voluntary and involuntary process of exchanging information, knowledge, and on the quantum level, knowledge.  Basically, we are walking around living like an antenna sending and receiving information all the time, whether we're aware of it or not.

Yeah. Quick example, when I first logged in online half an hour ago  and I had some audio trouble trying to figure out how you can hear me and you were standing there and you were just waiting for the call. I can see you. I can't hear you, but I can see you're standing there. You haven't said a word. Well, you probably said, but I could not hear you because the sound.

But you are communicating your existence.  That's very powerful.  Some of us actually for my research from east to the west around the globe, to be honest with you, some of us are not aware that we are communicating whether we want to or not. It's not like I'm not talking to you. I'm not communicating with you yet.

You can say that, but that's not the fact. In fact,  I learned for my research that any relationship ends with one Cause death.  What I mean by that is if, uh, you and I be, you've been in a relationship with someone and you don't talk to them for like a few years, 10, 15, 20 years, you see them 20 years later or go like, wow, how long have you been?

It's been such a long time. Even if you were enemies after so many years.  The relationship is there, yet it's being defined and labeled in a different way. And again, our relationship ends by death. Uh, I call it the greatest equalizer.  Any questions about my own definition of communication before I share with people who, how they can get hold of me and connect with me? 

Not at all. Just a few comments. You know, I think you kind of touched upon it, which is silence is a form of communication, especially in a relationship. You know, you could say you're not communicating because you're ignoring someone, but that itself is giving a certain message. And I think you talk about people don't know that they're communicating.

And I think that's so important in relationships. You know, I've, I've worked with some young men who, you know, they're like, but I never said that, or I never, you know, implied this. And I said, well, communication is a very, Subjective, you know, topic as well where, you know, people,  especially when we, when it comes to texting, you know, because communication is more than just talking.

You talked earlier about body cues and the role that plays in, or as you said, making eye contact, even if we can't hear each other, we're not talking and texting, you know, takes away so many of those other forms of indications of communication. So that's why I think. With phone calls and texting, we're in a new era of communication and we need to be even more aware ever than before of how we're communicating.

But, yeah, I think your definition, I like it, you know, that we are constantly receiving and outputting information. And that's true, even when we're sleeping. You know, we've had episodes on my show talking about how your body is listening to and responds to different levels of traffic. At different distances, you know, and how it reacts, you know, how your body reacts when there are people in a room you trust in your sleeping, how your body reacts when there are people you don't trust in the room while you're sleeping, you know, I mean, the human mind and body is just remarkable.

It's  true, how we communicate in our sleep. via dreams. Dun, dun, dun. It's a non stop process, even in our sleep.  Yeah, and you know, there's so many people, especially older gentlemen, I know. I don't dream anymore. I don't have dreams. It's just a black void.  You know, but I think, I think there's a difference between not dreaming and not remembering.

Yeah, you very wise. Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. Yep. Yeah, but let's get back to, you know, you talk about your coaching services, uh, if they're one on one, if their group, you know, you also work as a speaker and I know you're an author. So I want to talk about people booking you to do public speaking at events or to work one on one. 

As we have realized, I'm clicking around on my website. Uh, I think my, uh, marketing team is editing, doing some edits to it because there's a big, uh, book show that's happening in Egypt for about two months and there's a lot going on. So I think they're updating the website to reflect those changes.  So, uh, for anyone who might be somewhat slightly  Curious to all the way to driven.

I want to make change no matter what. Uh, please reach out to me, my website, www. mariowisa.  com. Uh, you can also email me  and my email is M. H w at Mario, we said that come, that's my first name, middle name, last name, Mario, Halim. We M H w at Mario visa. com.  And on my website, you will have the option to, uh, book a session with me, uh, for 30 minutes.

And there are three aspects where I cover what we're going to talk about. The first part you get to choose, but the three options I give is like working on Personal self growth and development. What is it that I'm trying to do with me? Because we all are given this human being when we're born, and we need to learn how to deal with it.

Number two, I have some relationships, and I, there might be some conflicts, or I need to create some, um, Healthier way to communicate with my partner or even relationship even at work as a coworker because relationship is a relationship that the difference is romance. That's another  dimension to it. And the third aspect is a career.

Path, uh, future that you are building for yourself and for your family, for example, your spouse or your kids. So the first part is focusing on self, basically intra personal communication. The second part is interpersonal communication in your relationships that I have in my life beside the relationship with me.

And the third part is what am I creating for the future self. Career wise, um, looking to move or even looking to find out what is the best career for you. We can work on that. It takes time, but we can work on that. So,  frankly, um, I see communication like air, it's everywhere. So, no matter what the issue that we're trying to work on, those three aspects, they cover pretty much everything in our lives.

Our relationship with ourselves, relationship with other people. And our relationship with our future self that we are creating by developing career and path to get there. Anyone who might be slightly curious,  I welcome you to connect with me. Um, call, text, all this good stuff, you'll find me. If you go on Google and type Mario Visa.

All my LinkedIn and Instagram and the amazing team staff that I'm working with, they're making it all happen. It's not that hard to get ahold of me.  Yeah, and as a, as a seasoned communication expert, I'd love to think that you're easy to talk to as well. So, you know, I'm sure you've already displayed that today on this episode.

And I, what's so interesting to me is that you and I right now. Or also communicating with people.  You know, you talked about communication stops with death, but,  And that's true, but, With this technology medium, Past death,  Past death, you and I are communicating right now. It could be a hundred, two hundred years right now after you and I have passed away and we're communicating with each other and to listeners right now.

So that's just an interesting little thing about technology, you know, and um,  it'll be interesting, you know, because we could be, they could be listening to us. And they're already at the point where they just read each other's minds with computer shifts, you know, so  And they might have a mario. We said, you know the third who's doing communication expert stuff with uh that so who knows? 

Yeah, but uh, I want to thank you for coming on the show and communicating with us all that you have  Thank you for making this opportunity happen. Those wonderful questions and your ability to listen intentionally and mindfully is very well noticed. Nice work. Appreciate that, Mr. Whiskey.